world is hard to digest, but God as a Force which is unborn ,
indestructible and eternal from whose very nature the world comes to
be and evolves on its very own without any deliberate action is easier
to accept. Again religion as the word of God is hypocrisy , but as a
product of logic to understand and give meaning and direction to life
and behavior is acceptable to me.
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> Religion is speculation - the problems arising for me come at the
> point of having to profess belief in obvious barking rot in submission
> to authority. That organised tanernacles of one form or another
> become corrupt is mirrored in our political systems. Science though
> is not enough, especially as most people can't do it. There are
> strong connections between many religious notions of the eternal and
> science (one can draw a line from Islamic philosophy to Karl Popper's
> 'world 3' as an example). I don't do religion because the hypocrisy
> makes me nauseous, but I sense a need for a flow to go with. The
> intellectual world without this is a very cold and deluded place of
> rationalisation.
>
> On Jan 5, 7:43 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> II real am glad you are here ,, we always need a little bit of
>> islam wisdom inserted. It is good to know that one is not alone in ones
>> thinking ,, I will have to look further into sufi beliefs..
>>
>> I do think that the beliefs that a person is born into is the foundation of
>> your spiritual life it is up to the individual soul to expand and grow into
>> their own unique spirituality, As i am writing this I am visualizing wealth
>> as a form of spirituality.. the major problem with this form of
>> spirituality is that physical comforts that are so much part
>> of wealth spirituality do not part of the normal spiritual world.
>>
>> The problem with most mainstream religions is the fact that they are
>> unable to evolve and all spirituality must evolve. There is a refusal by
>> all church leadership to change even when that they are teaching is
>> incorrect and they know it is incorrect.
>>
>> LOL maybe there will be a spiritual variance known as the 'Zombies' (",)
>> --- NNOTICE ---- I am not promoting another religion or belief system
>> there are far to many groups of idiots running around already.
>> Allan
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>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Eman <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I think on some level, we have the same views. The sufis say that ' people
>> > are in a dream state and when they die, they will wake up'. That view seems
>> > to be in line with your doubts about 'the reality' of human existence but
>> > at the end of the day, one needs to achieve a balance between the physical
>> > which is the realm of free will and struggle to achieve goals, and the
>> > spiritual which keeps the physical beast on check and allows for deeper
>> > yearnings and aspirations to also be fulfilled. As for the origin of the
>> > soul, according to Islam, some will say that it is a bit of the Divine and
>> > it will eventually return to its origin after death, whereas the 'self' or
>> > the aspect of personal existence responsible for making choices is the part
>> > of the human that will be subject to questioning, punishments and rewards.
>> > Others will not make that distinction.
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>> > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Eman,, the thought track was just looking at an idea, looking at
>> >> nothing..
>>
>> >> This group has got me looking at differently than I used to but one of
>> >> the ideas that has evolved is maybe just the opposite..
>>
>> >> On looking at the concept of being reborn ... I do believe there is a
>> >> spiritual world and I can not help but wonder if our real "normal " Life
>> >> a realm that we actually spend most of eternity in is the spiritual realm..
>> >> Both Islam and christianity place great emphasis on life after death or
>> >> re;birth.
>>
>> >> There are a great deal of things that never made sense to me,, and
>> >> questions like what is the origin of the soul maybe it is no longer the
>> >> origin but rather where was the soul before this life .. . . This
>> >> leaves me wondering if our soul being part of an on going spiritual life is
>> >> not our true Life and this (world) physical life is a lifer where we are
>> >> trying to demonstrate our knowledge of the laws of the universe and how to
>> >> apply them.
>>
>> >> Then when we die (return to our spiritual life) we examine our physical
>> >> lives and give account of our actions.. (all of them) memories)
>>
>> >> As I look at this idea it would almost seem we are in a zombie state
>> >> compared to the spiritual life we normally in. I think i jacked my jaws
>> >> about this a while back it is churning around in what little brain I have
>> >> left,
>> >> Allan
>>
>> >> Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Thank you Allan for your welcome. When it comes to hard evidence, you're
>> >>> right, everything exists only in our heads and it could all be an illusion
>> >>> or a virtual reality of some sort but we've come to accept what we sense as
>> >>> a reality existing outside of us. I wonder how we made that leap or whether
>> >>> we're programmed to be trusting of our senses to that exent since basing
>> >>> our actions on the senses leads to gratification or escaping pain.
>>
>> >>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Welcome Eman I hope I have the name right,
>>
>> >>>> I am tending to agree with you, there are to many incidents and wide
>> >>>> spread similarities.
>>
>> >>>> But as I am writing this that maybe I (we) are all including this
>> >>>> world are a figment of RP's very furtile brain and when he dies and this
>> >>>> very creativeness ceases to exist the total universe would cease to exist
>> >>>> ---- now on the bright side if this is true all of the poverty, hunger,
>> >>>> will be gone. All the killing going on in the name of power will end..
>>
>> >>>> Hmmm
>> >>>> Beyond my comprehension or imagitive ability, but if it is true, I as
>> >>>> part of your collective imagination demand you put an end to it now!!!!
>> >>>> Imaginary Allan
>> >>>> Or is that worst nightmare Allan, are you having difficulty deciding
>> >>>> go to tore local hospital and purchase that excessively costlt treatment,
>> >>>> doesn't matter as everything ceases to exist
>> >>>> Then again
>> >>>> Allan
>>
>> >>>> (What do you expect a 5 in the morning with a storm raging (now cut out
>> >>>> this storm si I can go to sleep,,--- whoever you are)
>>
>> >> --
>> >> (
>> >> )
>> >> |_D Allan
>>
>> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> --
>> (
>> )
>> |_D Allan
>>
>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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