Allan
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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm out here sun bathing. Care to join me?
On Dec 8, 3:43 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, wonderful! Let's all agree that we all have our points somewhere and
> that therefore no one owes nothing to anyone! If only we started loving
> each other properly the big cuddle could begin! The virtual shadow would
> disappear to where it originated! Molly, where are you?
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> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Those that say democracy has failed I am left wondering about their
> > knowledge.. problems lay within corruption and that effects all forms of
> > government with out exception.. In the US since Reagan corruption has
> > become rampant you see politicians entering with less than a million in
> > net worth and four years later walk away with the net worth into multi
> > millions of dollars in net worth.. the only way this increase is possible
> > is through acceptance of bribes.. but they will call it everything but a
> > bribe.
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> > Banking is extremely corrupt simply because their major financing comes
> > from the depositors whose money they handle not the share holders.. yet
> > they do not pay these hidden share holders any money for the use of their
> > deposits.. They are expected to take all losses that the bank ..
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> > I think the Banking community needs to repay all of the bailout money
> > they received before they can pay out even a single dollar or euro
> > in bonuses and these leaders need to be repaying these debt in reality
> > they incurred with their personal property and wealth.. the world owes
> > them nothing.
> > Allan
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> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:22 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> I'd say you are spot on rigsy. I wish for something as Vam says but
> >> fear those who con through false beauty (not Vam). There are some new
> >> approaches in behavioural economics and in logics of what works and
> >> doesn't in practice (under headings of 'informal' and 'defeasible').
> >> The problem is all in our current system know to speak in promises and
> >> then pull them away as impossible because of 'realities' that are, in
> >> fact, both fictional and corrupt. Gabby is right too in the spin of
> >> her words. One invisible weave is easily replaced by another.
> >> I watched a 'Storyville' documentary on BBC2 last night that fleshed
> >> out rigsy's tone on the complicity of social science and economists
> >> with the brutal looting power of politics. It too was spot on. My
> >> understanding is that all we have had since 2008 is business-as-usual
> >> in the 'dark pool' and shadow systems that dwarf the real economy
> >> (zerohedge is probably best on this). The Libertarians have been
> >> writing books with titles like 'Democracy: the god that failed' for a
> >> decade.
> >> We need to start anew - yet to do this need to recognise how much of
> >> the old is embedded in our assumptions. One problem in this is the
> >> idea of trying to work without pre-suppositions - which, of course,
> >> makes us prone to making the same mistakes again and discovering we
> >> can't meet any pre-suppositional state and can keep re-inventing
> >> square wheels.
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> >> My guess is we have to take out monster banking. Dexia, the Franco-
> >> Belgian-Lux outfit, employs so many in Belgium that its US equivalent
> >> would employ 290,000 people. I think we need to reflect on the
> >> madness of such employment - the old adage used to take the form of
> >> considering a country that got so up itself in map making that it
> >> starved to death because no one did anything else. Financial services
> >> is essentially something that is a cost we should keep to a minimum -
> >> yet it has become the controlling monster.
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> >> When we talk of hard work and reward I don't think we mean financial
> >> services rip-offs - and in science we'd regard such 'energy' as waste
> >> to be cut to a minimum. The vast debts all over the world aren't
> >> built by people who borrowed and drank themselves nearly to death
> >> (which I've seen literally in Rwanda) - they are nearly all the result
> >> of unnecessary virtual trades not to do with production. And they
> >> could be cancelled out. The 'reason' for not doing this is that we'd
> >> then see just how we have been ripped off and would have mass
> >> unemployment amongst people who (wrongly) think they have in-demand-
> >> high skills. In a desert island situation no one is going to value me
> >> for Gaussian manipulations, but my survival training might just build
> >> us help build a shelter, fire and get food and water. We have
> >> forgotten something key along these lines.
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> >> On Dec 7, 12:07 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Well...the maelstrom of ruin is a bit harsh. Shall we switch to man-
> >> > eating plants? :-)
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> >> > On Dec 6, 8:04 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > butt
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> >> > > Bring images of beauty in the dynamics... everything wud change, wud
> >> > > be different !
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> >> > > On Dec 6, 5:24 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > Is there really any new truth or wisdom regarding money, wealth or
> >> > > > trade? I tend to think the subject is on par with the social
> >> sciences
> >> > > > and doesn't rank very high in my opinion- not that that is earth-
> >> > > > shattering! :-) The trouble lies with fantasy attached to the
> >> subjects
> >> > > > and the gullibility of the public for schemes and shmucks running
> >> > > > national policies where all are sucked into the maelstrom of ruin.
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> >> > > > On Dec 5, 4:44 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > > I rather like this title, so when I found a paper on it looked
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> >> > > > > to an insightful read. Yiu can find it here -
> >>http://www.neweconomics.org/publications/the-practical-politics-of-we...
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> >> > > > > I was disappointed - I don;t disagree with the stuff, just found
> >> it
> >> > > > > dated and rather like Herzberg's motivational theory from the late
> >> > > > > 1950's. Has anyone found anything with a really practical bent in
> >> > > > > this area?- Hide quoted text -
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> > |_D Allan
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> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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