The usual dismissal of this is to say OK but democracy is still the
best game in town. Sun bathing is good too. The issue on well-being is
our systems don't deliver much of it for many - and I guess that if we
get it it's too often at the expense of the toil of others. In
Britain we really want to be Germany and earn of place in the world
through making stuff and exporting it. The truth is we rely on bent
banking. My own problem with well-being is moral and not being able
to be so.
On Dec 8, 2:46 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rigsy is complaining about all the snow,, but it windy over here..
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> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm out here sun bathing. Care to join me?
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> > On Dec 8, 3:43 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, wonderful! Let's all agree that we all have our points somewhere and
> > > that therefore no one owes nothing to anyone! If only we started loving
> > > each other properly the big cuddle could begin! The virtual shadow would
> > > disappear to where it originated! Molly, where are you?
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> > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Those that say democracy has failed I am left wondering about their
> > > > knowledge.. problems lay within corruption and that effects all forms
> > of
> > > > government with out exception.. In the US since Reagan corruption has
> > > > become rampant you see politicians entering with less than a million
> > in
> > > > net worth and four years later walk away with the net worth into multi
> > > > millions of dollars in net worth.. the only way this increase is
> > possible
> > > > is through acceptance of bribes.. but they will call it everything
> > but a
> > > > bribe.
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> > > > Banking is extremely corrupt simply because their major financing comes
> > > > from the depositors whose money they handle not the share holders..
> > yet
> > > > they do not pay these hidden share holders any money for the use of
> > their
> > > > deposits.. They are expected to take all losses that the bank ..
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> > > > I think the Banking community needs to repay all of the bailout money
> > > > they received before they can pay out even a single dollar or euro
> > > > in bonuses and these leaders need to be repaying these debt in reality
> > > > they incurred with their personal property and wealth.. the world owes
> > > > them nothing.
> > > > Allan
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> > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:22 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> I'd say you are spot on rigsy. I wish for something as Vam says but
> > > >> fear those who con through false beauty (not Vam). There are some new
> > > >> approaches in behavioural economics and in logics of what works and
> > > >> doesn't in practice (under headings of 'informal' and 'defeasible').
> > > >> The problem is all in our current system know to speak in promises and
> > > >> then pull them away as impossible because of 'realities' that are, in
> > > >> fact, both fictional and corrupt. Gabby is right too in the spin of
> > > >> her words. One invisible weave is easily replaced by another.
> > > >> I watched a 'Storyville' documentary on BBC2 last night that fleshed
> > > >> out rigsy's tone on the complicity of social science and economists
> > > >> with the brutal looting power of politics. It too was spot on. My
> > > >> understanding is that all we have had since 2008 is business-as-usual
> > > >> in the 'dark pool' and shadow systems that dwarf the real economy
> > > >> (zerohedge is probably best on this). The Libertarians have been
> > > >> writing books with titles like 'Democracy: the god that failed' for a
> > > >> decade.
> > > >> We need to start anew - yet to do this need to recognise how much of
> > > >> the old is embedded in our assumptions. One problem in this is the
> > > >> idea of trying to work without pre-suppositions - which, of course,
> > > >> makes us prone to making the same mistakes again and discovering we
> > > >> can't meet any pre-suppositional state and can keep re-inventing
> > > >> square wheels.
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> > > >> My guess is we have to take out monster banking. Dexia, the Franco-
> > > >> Belgian-Lux outfit, employs so many in Belgium that its US equivalent
> > > >> would employ 290,000 people. I think we need to reflect on the
> > > >> madness of such employment - the old adage used to take the form of
> > > >> considering a country that got so up itself in map making that it
> > > >> starved to death because no one did anything else. Financial services
> > > >> is essentially something that is a cost we should keep to a minimum -
> > > >> yet it has become the controlling monster.
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> > > >> When we talk of hard work and reward I don't think we mean financial
> > > >> services rip-offs - and in science we'd regard such 'energy' as waste
> > > >> to be cut to a minimum. The vast debts all over the world aren't
> > > >> built by people who borrowed and drank themselves nearly to death
> > > >> (which I've seen literally in Rwanda) - they are nearly all the result
> > > >> of unnecessary virtual trades not to do with production. And they
> > > >> could be cancelled out. The 'reason' for not doing this is that we'd
> > > >> then see just how we have been ripped off and would have mass
> > > >> unemployment amongst people who (wrongly) think they have in-demand-
> > > >> high skills. In a desert island situation no one is going to value me
> > > >> for Gaussian manipulations, but my survival training might just build
> > > >> us help build a shelter, fire and get food and water. We have
> > > >> forgotten something key along these lines.
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> > > >> On Dec 7, 12:07 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Well...the maelstrom of ruin is a bit harsh. Shall we switch to man-
> > > >> > eating plants? :-)
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> > > >> > On Dec 6, 8:04 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > butt
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> > > >> > > Bring images of beauty in the dynamics... everything wud change,
> > wud
> > > >> > > be different !
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> > > >> > > On Dec 6, 5:24 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > >> > > > Is there really any new truth or wisdom regarding money, wealth
> > or
> > > >> > > > trade? I tend to think the subject is on par with the social
> > > >> sciences
> > > >> > > > and doesn't rank very high in my opinion- not that that is
> > earth-
> > > >> > > > shattering! :-) The trouble lies with fantasy attached to the
> > > >> subjects
> > > >> > > > and the gullibility of the public for schemes and shmucks
> > running
> > > >> > > > national policies where all are sucked into the maelstrom of
> > ruin.
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> > > >> > > > On Dec 5, 4:44 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> > > > > I rather like this title, so when I found a paper on it looked
> > > >> forward
> > > >> > > > > to an insightful read. Yiu can find it here -
> > > >>http://www.neweconomics.org/publications/the-practical-politics-of-we.
> > ..
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> > > >> > > > > I was disappointed - I don;t disagree with the stuff, just
> > found
> > > >> it
> > > >> > > > > dated and rather like Herzberg's motivational theory from the
> > late
> > > >> > > > > 1950's. Has anyone found anything with a really practical
> > bent in
> > > >> > > > > this area?- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > --
> > > > (
> > > > )
> > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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