> Hey James.. were you Ash before?.. cos i remember the email id...
> Like you said... i think Most of our 'needs' are socially created....
> but then ... is it a part of our culture now... i have in mind the
> tibetan monks.. what are their needs.. do you need the garb of a monk
> to be this austere... if youre.. will the society not take you
> seriously.... i guess the answer was somewhere above .. its our
> problem only when we feel left out or on a loss....
Yes, it is I. It is my preference to wear neutral colors mostly, I can
be at peace wearing the exact same comfortable clothing every day for
weeks. Others, it seems would go nuts if they had to do that.
Adaptability to environments and practicality are my necessities, but
I couldn't easily go off into the wilderness with my casual clothes
and I find it irritating that social norms are a main determinant of
my choices but that comes back around to adaptability. In my worldview
sacrifice puts loss into perspective, I think it teaches something
about resilience and fortitude that balances feelings of entitlement.
> IS there a
> question of ethics?... no?.... i am not familiar with my scriptures...
> As a society we do uphold wealth dont we.... Speaking of which take
> into consideration the Climate talks... We meet as countries and
> decide who will get to pollute a lil more than others.. or not...
> Speaking of squirrels i watch em a lot too.. sometimes i sit with food
> on me to get em near.. and they will eat Anything... but i wonder if
> it ever goes to waste.. like genetic pre programming taking its
> course. do you think we will find an overfed squirrell... one might if
> they see pet squirrells... do animals overeat in their natural
> setting...
The one behind our shop sure got husky in the past month or so, it
seems to have a little more difficulty scrambling up the trees lately.
But I think it is time for him to sleep, I've been feeling it too-
this urge to rest for long periods or go walking somewhere. Well an
overfed squirrel sounds like it would be easy picking for fox, coyote,
dogs, possum. Maybe they have an inbuilt trigger that says, "oh shit,
if I climbed or ran at this pace with a predator on my tail I'd make a
plump lunch for it." At that point it would be advantageous for their
experiences to trigger an instinctual urge, but I wonder what if you
take that squirrel from it's natural habitat will those same triggers
kick in to regulate a healthy balance. To answer your question I think
some probably do overeat due to some surplus of safety or available
resources, but nature has a way of effectively regulating that
behavior. I wonder this same question though watching human behavior,
say an athlete vs sedentary person it makes me think of environmental
adaptation and how complex our genetics must be in encoded history
accumulated from our ancestors migrating from so many environments.
Then you get into different types of squirrels with specialized
adaptations and the power of nature starts to sink in, it is worthy of
respect and admiration, though I wouldn't go as far a some dingbats
and say, "you can't explain that!" lol
I may have lost the ball on this, not sure where I was going on this
last night. Anyone please jump in and get us connected with the human
elements.d
>
> On Dec 9, 1:46 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Like Monkebus I think greed as we define it is mainly due to language,
>> and like Vam think there are genetic motives for the behavior
>> (physiological/psychological). Like other animals we seek to secure
>> our survival by responding to our perceived environment, not
>> necessarily to the world at hand but the psychological response to
>> environmental pressures.
>>
>> I've been watching the squirrels gathering various resources to fare
>> our Michigan winter and pondering what it is like to feel the
>> instinctual motive to respond to the change of seasons, for them I
>> mean (qualia). Perhaps it starts with an urge, a compulsive behavior
>> programmed into them that rewards them with peace or happiness to
>> accomplish their preparations like collecting a store of fruits and
>> nuts and to build their nest of leaves, grass and sticks in a tree.
>> Perhaps it is more to assuage the anxiety of dissonance, perhaps they
>> mostly exist in a panicky state as we would call it. A person who
>> behaved as erratically as a squirrel would be institutionalized, the
>> squirrel is in it's element near the woods, what natural ends I wonder
>> that we might be seeking in our behaviors. I haven't read Kostler's
>> Ghost in the Machine yet but I think this is what he referred to,
>> these fundamental human imperatives that arise and remind us that you
>> can take the ape out of the jungle but not visa-versa. It is obvious
>> that the squirrel is doing what it needs to do to survive, and if it
>> collects two times the needed nuts to do so it greatly improves it's
>> survival short or overworking itself thus burning more energy and
>> shortening it's life or to other chain effects.
>>
>> Our insecurities can be manipulated, or our needs left ignored our
>> capacities allow our sense of want, insecurity, and anxieties to
>> create unending feelings of desire. We can breed all year, we can
>> think very very far ahead. It brings into question what environment
>> would be most beneficial for us- nature is reckless but effective. If
>> greed is a problem I think it isn't due to flawed human beings as much
>> as the failure to take what we know of the world and ourselves and
>> apply it our societies in a sensible manner. The cost of convenience
>> is rising, we've been riding high on the waste hog for a very long
>> time. It will probably get a bit worse, people are willing to cling to
>> false security, we've invested too much in this hand to fold, we are
>> narcissistic, arrogant and full of pride. The only thing left to do it
>> actually find some solutions.
>>
>> A return to Eden, the noble savage and such isn't where I'm headed
>> with this, that sounds a bit too nostalgic and I don't think would fit
>> the long term cultural/technological/evolutionary requirements for
>> survival. Sorry this turned out a little longwinded PSK, but I enjoy
>> the exercise. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:26 AM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hey everyone... i have been very dull of late with little mind
>> > activity... but.. today i was just going through Hind Swaraj.... and
>> > well its not about the book.. in the review pages.. i read something
>> > about Greed.. and it got me thinking.... only humans have greed
>> > right... i find it very peculiar.. the most common vice one is taught
>> > against from childhood...What is the nature of it... is there or can
>> > there be a why?... when does wanting enough turn to greed.... the
>> > dictionary defines it as wanting more than is necessary.... well..
>> > that appplies to everything then!.. we always have and want more than
>> > necessary or required... is being careful and cautious greedy(in
>> > wanting enough and more)... is being ambitious greedy.... why is being
>> > greedy wrong? ....very simplistic questions.. but i want to know what
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