that is experiencing , but in non-duality there is only one; awareness
entails duality , no matter if it is worldly or transcendental. Okay ,
your awareness is prior to thought , but still it is of something ,
bliss of which you are aware. God is Non-dual and duality proceeds
from Him. He doesn't have to be aware of us or anything, because
essentially we are His emanations and He is aware through us , the
infinite in the finite. As everything is according to His Will , the
need to experience it separately doesn't arise.
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:04 PM, ornamentalmind
<ornsmindseyespam@yahoo.com> wrote:
> When it comes to Mind, awareness, thought, brain, subconscious, True
> Self etc., it is all too easy to get lost in semantics and personal
> beliefs based on limited experience.
>
> Some skeptical materialists demand that, in a sense, we are our
> thoughts…our thoughts are entirely electrochemical mechanisms…thus, we
> are only physical 'beings'. This is understandable. There is plenty in
> current day realms of science to keep them busy. On the other hand,
> for those who have experienced that which is not thought, the
> awareness prior to thought or the unity of this emptiness and relative/
> subjective thinking or the infinite, radiant oneness that is the
> Ultimate Ground of existence, simple mental constructs are known for
> what they are.
>
> Molly has this one right…'right' in the sense of knowing a larger
> view.
>
>
> On Jul 14, 5:09 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am suggesting that unless you clear the mind of thought, feeling,
>> sensation, belief, image - and allow it to be filled only with the
>> eternal presence that is you - your experience and mind will preoccupy
>> itself with the limits of mind and nothing more. There is more to
>> life. There is more to me. All ways more.
>>
>> On Jul 14, 7:42 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hey Molly,
>>
>> > Yes indeed there are many parts of the human dedicated to keeping it
>> > alive.
>>
>> > The mind is a function of the brain though isn't it, rather like
>> > running is a function of the legs and the heart and the lungs?
>>
>> > So without the legs, heart and lungs, there will be no running. Like
>> > without the brain there would be no mind.
>>
>> > It is not hard to see that we use our intelect to study; intelect a
>> > funtion of the mind, which in turn is a function of the brain, so as I
>> > say I see no problems in seeing that the mind is used to study the
>> > mind, yes even our own minds.
>>
>> > I don't agree that there exists an awareness beyond mind, I have
>> > throughout my short span of life experianced all sorts of weird and
>> > wonderfull things, yet still I say that all awareness takes place in
>> > the mind. When I have had periods of expansion of the mind, it is
>> > still all taking place in my brain.
>>
>> > Think of it this way,I am dyslexic and this is because something about
>> > my brain causes certain senseory inputs to be inturpreted in a way
>> > that differs from the non dyslexic. This is most evidant in my
>> > spelling and if you read through enough of my posts you'll notice
>> > things like the way I often write 'Form' instead of 'From'
>>
>> > Would you suggest that my dyslexcia stems form a place independant of
>> > my brain?
>>
>> > Nope I don't think it would be correct to suggest such a thing. Yet
>> > dyslexcia is a huge part of who I am, it has shapped my mind since my
>> > birth, it forces me to approach things in ways that the non dyslexic
>> > would not consider, I need to think about things in certian ways to
>> > ensure that my dyslexcia does not hinder my day to day life.
>>
>> > What I'm saying here is that my dsylexic experiances which we could
>> > say take place in my mind, are a function of my brain. If these
>> > experiances take place in my brain, so have all of my experiances,
>> > includeing all of the trances, and dream states, all of the
>> > meditations, all of the high magiks and ceremonies, all of this has
>> > taken place in my brain, the home of my mind. I have not encountered
>> > one iota of evidance nor experiance to suggest other wise.
>>
>> > Perhaps though the most telling is in the use of LSD, or any other
>> > pschyotropic substance. When 'tripping' all sorts of things can
>> > happen, you can just enjoy the buzz for what it is, you can use it to
>> > 'open the doors of perception', but all who have partaken more than a
>> > few times know that to stave off a 'bad trip' it is useful to remind
>> > yourself that it is just the drug, and when the chemical reactions of
>> > the drug in your brain whare off, then all goes back to normal.
>>
>> > It is possible to use LSD to expand the mind? Yes of course it is,
>> > and chemicaly speaking the same result from a differant
>> > meathod(meditiaon for example) cause the same chemical changes in the
>> > brain.
>>
>> > Almost finished now honset, so to reiterate in the shortest possibel
>> > way.
>>
>> > The mind is seated in the brain, there is no other place that the mind
>> > exists.
>>
>> > On Jul 14, 11:20 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > I do not follow you Lee. The same (that you say of the brain) could
>> > > be said of the heart, circulatory system, respiratory system, liver,
>> > > kidneys etc. If they are not working, the life of the body ends,
>> > > unless extended mechanically. We don't know if it continues in
>> > > another form - or I could say, our knowing is not contained in the
>> > > mind.
>>
>> > > While the brain is not the same as the mind, there is an awareness
>> > > beyond mind. If you have not experienced it, you may think me out of
>> > > my mind. If you have never had a completely quiet mind, you may not
>> > > have had the opportunity to go beyond it. (and I mean you in the
>> > > general sense of everyone, not you in particular, Lee) My mind is
>> > > located in me, with my thoughts, feelings and sensations - and is non
>> > > local, and that is the infinite aspect.
>>
>> > > On Jul 13, 9:01 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Molly says:
>>
>> > > > 'it is the mind that is aware - if you are witnessing, or "aware" of
>> > > > the contents of you mind, what part of you is that? There is more
>> > > > than the mind in each and every one of us'
>>
>> > > > That is also the mind Molly. The seat of self is in the brain, no
>> > > > working brain no self. When you look in the mirror you see your own
>> > > > reflection so it is of course possible to use your eyes to study your
>> > > > own eyes, why not then use the mind to study the mind? I see no
>> > > > problems with this at all, indeed what other organ would you use to
>> > > > study the mind, or for that matter the study of anything?
>>
>> > > > On Jul 13, 6:20 am, "Tony Orlow" <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > Dear RP -
>>
>> > > > > Do you disagree with partaking of the herb which led us to the discovery
>> > > > > of 0, and of oo, and of god and science? With the seeds being perfect
>> > > > > food, and the resins being the lost vitamin, being so under fire this
>> > > > > last century of war, and being the greatest source of fiber for all
>> > > > > uses, and being one of the strongest and most beautiful of plants, can
>> > > > > it be bad? If I have partaken as long as I can remember, and merit this
>> > > > > personal response from RP Singh, can it have done me too much harm? I do
>> > > > > now the job of a 20-something, at almost 50, and do it like five of
>> > > > > them. I can't be doing anything too...oo wrong, right? That is how I
>> > > > > figure it.
>>
>> > > > > Much Peace,
>>
>> > > > > Tony
>>
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: minds-eye@googlegroups.com [mailto:minds-eye@googlegroups.com] On
>>
>> > > > > Behalf Of RP Singh
>> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:12 PM
>> > > > > To: "Minds Eye"
>> > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Enlightenment
>>
>> > > > > The state of enlightenment , or self-realization , is simply a state
>> > > > > of awareness like the dream -state or deep-sleep , and can be attained
>> > > > > through concentration or substance - use. It is the mind which is
>> > > > > aware and as the mind is finite , whatever it is aware of is also
>> > > > > finite. The very fact that the so-called transcendental state can be
>> > > > > experienced through use of entheogens casts a doubt about its
>> > > > > spiritual nature. A person experiences such a state and when he comes
>> > > > > out of it is just his ordinary self. God-state cannot be experienced
>> > > > > by any being as it is beyond experience and can only be understood. We
>> > > > > find it difficult to accept that we are mortal and hence believe in
>> > > > > re-incarnation etc. The fact is that the " I " has nowhere to go on
>> > > > > the death of the organism , it is simply an attribute of life and is
>> > > > > no more on the death of the body , and is thus just an " illusion " .
>> > > > > This is , of course , my reading of the matter and can be erroneous as
>> > > > > my reason is not infallible and is subject to my limitations.- Hide quoted text -
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