specific experience is required to know it. There is no contradiction.
On Jul 14, 12:00 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Where there is experience there are two , the experience and the one
> that is experiencing , but in non-duality there is only one; awareness
> entails duality , no matter if it is worldly or transcendental. Okay ,
> your awareness is prior to thought , but still it is of something ,
> bliss of which you are aware. God is Non-dual and duality proceeds
> from Him. He doesn't have to be aware of us or anything, because
> essentially we are His emanations and He is aware through us , the
> infinite in the finite. As everything is according to His Will , the
> need to experience it separately doesn't arise.
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:04 PM, ornamentalmind
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> <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > When it comes to Mind, awareness, thought, brain, subconscious, True
> > Self etc., it is all too easy to get lost in semantics and personal
> > beliefs based on limited experience.
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> > Some skeptical materialists demand that, in a sense, we are our
> > thoughts…our thoughts are entirely electrochemical mechanisms…thus, we
> > are only physical 'beings'. This is understandable. There is plenty in
> > current day realms of science to keep them busy. On the other hand,
> > for those who have experienced that which is not thought, the
> > awareness prior to thought or the unity of this emptiness and relative/
> > subjective thinking or the infinite, radiant oneness that is the
> > Ultimate Ground of existence, simple mental constructs are known for
> > what they are.
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> > Molly has this one right…'right' in the sense of knowing a larger
> > view.
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> > On Jul 14, 5:09 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I am suggesting that unless you clear the mind of thought, feeling,
> >> sensation, belief, image - and allow it to be filled only with the
> >> eternal presence that is you - your experience and mind will preoccupy
> >> itself with the limits of mind and nothing more. There is more to
> >> life. There is more to me. All ways more.
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> >> On Jul 14, 7:42 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > Hey Molly,
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> >> > Yes indeed there are many parts of the human dedicated to keeping it
> >> > alive.
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> >> > The mind is a function of the brain though isn't it, rather like
> >> > running is a function of the legs and the heart and the lungs?
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> >> > So without the legs, heart and lungs, there will be no running. Like
> >> > without the brain there would be no mind.
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> >> > It is not hard to see that we use our intelect to study; intelect a
> >> > funtion of the mind, which in turn is a function of the brain, so as I
> >> > say I see no problems in seeing that the mind is used to study the
> >> > mind, yes even our own minds.
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> >> > I don't agree that there exists an awareness beyond mind, I have
> >> > throughout my short span of life experianced all sorts of weird and
> >> > wonderfull things, yet still I say that all awareness takes place in
> >> > the mind. When I have had periods of expansion of the mind, it is
> >> > still all taking place in my brain.
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> >> > Think of it this way,I am dyslexic and this is because something about
> >> > my brain causes certain senseory inputs to be inturpreted in a way
> >> > that differs from the non dyslexic. This is most evidant in my
> >> > spelling and if you read through enough of my posts you'll notice
> >> > things like the way I often write 'Form' instead of 'From'
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> >> > Would you suggest that my dyslexcia stems form a place independant of
> >> > my brain?
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> >> > Nope I don't think it would be correct to suggest such a thing. Yet
> >> > dyslexcia is a huge part of who I am, it has shapped my mind since my
> >> > birth, it forces me to approach things in ways that the non dyslexic
> >> > would not consider, I need to think about things in certian ways to
> >> > ensure that my dyslexcia does not hinder my day to day life.
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> >> > What I'm saying here is that my dsylexic experiances which we could
> >> > say take place in my mind, are a function of my brain. If these
> >> > experiances take place in my brain, so have all of my experiances,
> >> > includeing all of the trances, and dream states, all of the
> >> > meditations, all of the high magiks and ceremonies, all of this has
> >> > taken place in my brain, the home of my mind. I have not encountered
> >> > one iota of evidance nor experiance to suggest other wise.
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> >> > Perhaps though the most telling is in the use of LSD, or any other
> >> > pschyotropic substance. When 'tripping' all sorts of things can
> >> > happen, you can just enjoy the buzz for what it is, you can use it to
> >> > 'open the doors of perception', but all who have partaken more than a
> >> > few times know that to stave off a 'bad trip' it is useful to remind
> >> > yourself that it is just the drug, and when the chemical reactions of
> >> > the drug in your brain whare off, then all goes back to normal.
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> >> > It is possible to use LSD to expand the mind? Yes of course it is,
> >> > and chemicaly speaking the same result from a differant
> >> > meathod(meditiaon for example) cause the same chemical changes in the
> >> > brain.
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> >> > Almost finished now honset, so to reiterate in the shortest possibel
> >> > way.
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> >> > The mind is seated in the brain, there is no other place that the mind
> >> > exists.
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> >> > On Jul 14, 11:20 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > I do not follow you Lee. The same (that you say of the brain) could
> >> > > be said of the heart, circulatory system, respiratory system, liver,
> >> > > kidneys etc. If they are not working, the life of the body ends,
> >> > > unless extended mechanically. We don't know if it continues in
> >> > > another form - or I could say, our knowing is not contained in the
> >> > > mind.
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> >> > > While the brain is not the same as the mind, there is an awareness
> >> > > beyond mind. If you have not experienced it, you may think me out of
> >> > > my mind. If you have never had a completely quiet mind, you may not
> >> > > have had the opportunity to go beyond it. (and I mean you in the
> >> > > general sense of everyone, not you in particular, Lee) My mind is
> >> > > located in me, with my thoughts, feelings and sensations - and is non
> >> > > local, and that is the infinite aspect.
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> >> > > On Jul 13, 9:01 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > Molly says:
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> >> > > > 'it is the mind that is aware - if you are witnessing, or "aware" of
> >> > > > the contents of you mind, what part of you is that? There is more
> >> > > > than the mind in each and every one of us'
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> >> > > > That is also the mind Molly. The seat of self is in the brain, no
> >> > > > working brain no self. When you look in the mirror you see your own
> >> > > > reflection so it is of course possible to use your eyes to study your
> >> > > > own eyes, why not then use the mind to study the mind? I see no
> >> > > > problems with this at all, indeed what other organ would you use to
> >> > > > study the mind, or for that matter the study of anything?
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> >> > > > On Jul 13, 6:20 am, "Tony Orlow" <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > > Dear RP -
>
> >> > > > > Do you disagree with partaking of the herb which led us to the discovery
> >> > > > > of 0, and of oo, and of god and science? With the seeds being perfect
> >> > > > > food, and the resins being the lost vitamin, being so under fire this
> >> > > > > last century of war, and being the greatest source of fiber for all
> >> > > > > uses, and being one of the strongest and most beautiful of plants, can
> >> > > > > it be bad? If I have partaken as long as I can remember, and merit this
> >> > > > > personal response from RP Singh, can it have done me too much harm? I do
> >> > > > > now the job of a 20-something, at almost 50, and do it like five of
> >> > > > > them. I can't be doing anything too...oo wrong, right? That is how I
> >> > > > > figure it.
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> >> > > > > Much Peace,
>
> >> > > > > Tony
>
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: minds-eye@googlegroups.com [mailto:minds-eye@googlegroups.com] On
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> >> > > > > Behalf Of RP Singh
> >> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:12 PM
> >> > > > > To: "Minds Eye"
> >> > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Enlightenment
>
> >> > > > > The state of enlightenment , or self-realization , is simply a state
> >> > > > > of awareness like the dream -state or deep-sleep , and can be attained
> >> > > > > through concentration or substance - use. It is the mind which is
> >> > > > > aware and as the mind is finite , whatever it is aware of is also
> >> > > > > finite. The very fact that the so-called transcendental state can be
> >> > > > > experienced through use of entheogens casts a doubt about its
> >> > > > > spiritual nature. A person experiences such a state and when he comes
> >> > > > > out of it is just his ordinary self. God-state cannot be experienced
> >> > > > > by any being as it is beyond experience and can only be understood. We
> >> > > > > find it difficult to accept that we are mortal and hence believe in
> >> > > > > re-incarnation etc. The fact is that the " I " has nowhere to go on
> >> > > > > the death of the organism , it is simply an attribute of life and is
> >> > > > > no more on the death of the body , and is thus just an " illusion " .
> >> > > > > This is , of course , my reading of the matter and can be erroneous as
> >> > > > > my reason is not infallible and is subject to my limitations.- Hide quoted text -
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