school. You need a bit of the Y chromosome to be male, and this has
to be in the absence of 'double dax'. Some women are genetically XY.
In birds, I seem to remember as one of those breaking up old codgers
Rigsby refers to, the male stuff is carried on the X. Hormone levels
at various times have a great deal to do with how we develop and our
'moods' - married men lose testosterone level as their partners have
kids.
I don't do Freud, except as a joke at the odd conference. I'm not
sure what any sc could be as I'm not sure what consciousness is. IN
some of the more violent or lovely experiences I've found
consciousness more or less disappears for me and I don't seem to
experience the event until what are obviously highly episodic memories
that I have to study to understand what has happened. This leaves it
tricky to explain what keeps me going through such incidents. What is
consciousness at that point in drunkenness that will never come to
memory? And what is observing thoughts and what is experience once
thoughts are 'silent'? Whatever consciousness is, we don't seem to
use it much as other than rationaliser so what is actually in
control? I suspect there is much more information available to us in
an occasion of experience than most are prepared to allow. Fictions
like a structured unconscious may or may not help.
On Jul 16, 2:49 pm, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> Absolutely. After all, hormones are what makes us become a male of a
> female to begin with, and when they are askew for some reason during
> development, one can get XX males and XY females, some of which are
> hermaphrodites. Also, of course, we know that testosterone and
> steroids make people aggressive as well as affecting their bodies. So,
> hormones play a big part in mental and physical development , and can
> be influenced by outside forces.
>
> Peace,
>
> Tony
>
> On Jul 16, 12:54 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> > Besides physical structure of brain and genetic issues, perhaps we
> > should at least mention hormones when it comes to apparent gender
> > differences. Flowing in the blood they are carried throughout the body
> > and can greatly influence behavior.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-brain_barrier
>
> > The subjective nature of the term 'mature' can lead us astray all too
> > easily.
>
> > On Jul 15, 3:32 pm, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi Paradox -
>
> > > I don't know which sex you think is more mature. I think each has
> > > their own strengths, and different types of intelligence, and there
> > > ARE structural brain differences. For instance, the corpus callosum,
> > > the largest connection between the two hemispheres, is larger in
> > > women, probably accounting for their more integrated thought
> > > processes. It's easy for a man to ignore all else and obsess about
> > > some question and its answer. It's hard for a woman to ignore reality
> > > and become so focused on some abstract question. Men may be more able
> > > to take decisive action, but if they don't pay attention to their
> > > female's input, they are likely to wander into a well like Socrates
> > > (or was that Aristotle?). Of course, these are gross generalizations,
> > > and there is probably more variation within each sex than between the
> > > two as a whole.
>
> > > I have kind of a male mind. Could you tell? ;)
>
> > > Peace,
>
> > > Tony
>
> > > On Jul 15, 2:41 pm, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > I have quite some considerable experience of the emotional
> > > > responsiveness of the fairer sex, rigsy :) Personally, i think the
> > > > gender difference, if there is one, is more emotional maturity and
> > > > honesty than anything "structural.
>
> > > > On Jul 15, 12:04 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Thank you, Tony and Paradox.
>
> > > > > Except we can clean up our hard drive!
>
> > > > > Maybe I should have said "reactions" rather than moods- esp. since
> > > > > females have the rep of being moody creatures. I'm not sure if it is
> > > > > memory or the sc that is triggered by irrational associations.
>
> > > > > On Jul 15, 3:22 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Not as familiar with the terrain regarding imagination and creativity,
> > > > > > rigsy; but some thoughts; imagination probably employs the same object
> > > > > > representation and manipulation routines as event "simulation",
> > > > > > certainly occupies the same higher order region; the process is just
> > > > > > less well tethered; an analogy that comes to mind is that of the rider
> > > > > > whose handling on the reins becomes more adept the more confident he/
> > > > > > she becomes, and the more conditioned the horse gets over time.
>
> > > > > > Creativity is more difficult to pin down; my intuitive sense is that
> > > > > > it's probably defined in the versatility of transition of isomorphic
> > > > > > brain "states"; so its not so much a "discrete" attribute, but more a
> > > > > > "bell curve" function.
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> > > > > > Difficult to say about unexplained moods; could be the result of
> > > > > > chemical or homeostatic imbalances, tensions, unresolved mental
> > > > > > phenomena, or any of a long list of things really; what do you think?
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> > > > > > On Jul 14, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Yes- that is too technical for me. :-) I see the sc as the hidden
> > > > > > > currents of a river- at least this morning that's my view. Where do
> > > > > > > you think imagination and creativity spring from? Or unexplainable
> > > > > > > moods? Or the irrational? Don't be too technical, please.
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 14, 3:36 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Interesting psychoanalytic approach; i'm sort of a little closer to
> > > > > > > > the "technical" school; seems to me that dreams and phantasies are
> > > > > > > > pretty much the same "stuff" as conscious thought, but without the
> > > > > > > > coherence, constraints, and "echolocation" of input, cognition, and
> > > > > > > > the autobiographical self; in that sense, we think (neural mapping)
> > > > > > > > pretty much 24/7, conscious, subconscious, or otherwise; it's just so
> > > > > > > > much more elegant when we're conscious, or daydreaming, curiously :).
>
> > > > > > > > Re the "great conductor"; in this great cauldron of distributed
> > > > > > > > mapping, something has to "direct" and prioritise attention; that's
> > > > > > > > the job of dispositional affect (value), or emotion, through amygdala,
> > > > > > > > hippocampus, and associated wide area networks. Antonio Damasio has
> > > > > > > > produced some very interesting, very readable and easily accessible
> > > > > > > > works in this area.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > The "great conductor" to where? The sc may color our thoughts and
> > > > > > > > > actions but I have a problem giving it a thought process similar to
> > > > > > > > > the ego or super-ego. The fact that we cannot control our sc makes us
> > > > > > > > > want to control it- it can be dangerous or embarassing or distracting,
> > > > > > > > > for instance. I do think it adds a dramatic complexity to our thoughts
> > > > > > > > > and actions- esp. those "Freudian slips"! :-) Another possibilty is
> > > > > > > > > that the sc is a warehouse for our unresolved selves that pitch and
> > > > > > > > > twist in our minds during dreams or daydreams and sometimes influence
> > > > > > > > > solutions by interrupting logic, problem solving, comprehension or
> > > > > > > > > relationships. It may also serve the purpose of keeping us honest-
> > > > > > > > > somehow the mind has to find a balance- "acting as if" only goes so
> > > > > > > > > far.
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> > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:13 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > Hi Mando, dont forget that our thoughts are also "merely things", and
> > > > > > > > > > our sub-conscious also "thinks"; "emotion" is the great conductor.
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> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:18 pm, Mando <richsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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