[Mind's Eye] Re: Should Atheism be promoted

On Apr 7, 12:23 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
wrote:
> I have seen this kind or rhetoric before and although I must agree
> there is some validity in this argument, the same can be said of of
> any human endevour that is divisive.
>
> An example.
>
> I am not a patriot, I see no sense in feeling pride in the accident of
> the location of ones birth, of course if a patriotic person was also
> to feel the shame for the shamefull acts that their country has also
> done, then that at least is consistant.
>
> Religion has brought gretness and great shame to it's adherance, so
> has patriotiism, football fandom, we have witnessed both the joy that
> music brings and the violence done in i's name by fans of differant
> genres.
>
> Should we promot atheism?  Yes why not, let people have a free,
> informed choice, over all aspects of their lives,  Should we give give
> atheist fundementalist any stage time?  yes of course all the while we
> do the same for religious fundementalists or political fundementalist
> it would be unfair not to.  Shold we really listen to any who espouse
> a fundie POV, well that is up to each of us on an individual basis but
> me, naaaa, why would I?
>

Yeah, the real problem is 'fundamentalism' irrespective of the faith--
whether in God or opposed to. Personally, I'd love to take on Dawkins
in a debate. There are a few areas where he's so off-base logically
it's almost funny.

BTW, I've finally figured out a way to PROVE that the speed of light
cxannot be a constant. I'll save the 'guts' of my argument for the
book (which, BTW, is at around 40,000 words, now and might be finished
by June!!!) but think about this: if space expands and the distance
between A and B gets larger, how can C be a constant? If it appears
to be a constant, then it MUST accelerate in order to make up the
difference in the extra distance created by the expansion of space due
to Hiubble's Law!!

> In the interest of openess I must declare to being a theist myself.
>
> On Apr 7, 12:09 pm, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 7, 11:18 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > I do not believe that a supreme being created the universe etc.
>
> > > Until today, I have accepted the existence of religions on the
> > > grounds
> > > that they give hope and faith to many in the face of adversity and
> > > promote certain moral values.
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> > > This week A C Grayling brought out his book "The Good Book - A
> > > secular
> > > bible". In interview he stated that theism is harmful to individuals
> > > and society. Although his thoughts on this were nor expanded.
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> > > I live in Fiji and cannot get a copy of his book but I would like to
> > > hear his argument on this matter. Ie Why he thinks that theism is
> > > harmful.
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> > > I have found nothing of depth on the web.
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> > > If he is indeed correct then there is an argument for the active
> > > promotion of atheism. Perhaps we can become missionaries in the human
> > > cause.
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> > > What say you?
>
> > Atheism comes in more than one variety.  Which sect would you want
> > promoted?  The kind where the individual has 'no belief about God' or
> > the kind where the individual accepts a religious definition of God
> > and actively disbelieves it?  There are atheistic evangelists like
> > Richard Dawkins already.  But his arguments have huge holes in them.
> > The key point to note is that there is no 'conclusive' proof 'for or
> > against' the existence of God, so, any belief based on a profound lack
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