Re: Mind's Eye Globalization, a threat to mankind

Did you eat your parsnips as a lad? Mother used to fix them for my
father and think they have made somewhat of a comeback.

On Nov 19, 3:22 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was thinking of our north country expression 'opinion butters no
> parsnips'.
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> On 19 Nov, 05:36, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Yes- we have globalized opinions leading to riots, strikes, wars,
> > character assassinations, etc. Opinions do not put bread on the table
> > or a chicken in the pot ( but some states are embracing pot- might be
> > a good source of revenue).  So rather than a global benefit, a good
> > deal of recent tech advancement is still for profit and spurred by
> > individual or national/ethnic self-interest. We are still letting poor
> > leaders off the hook who should be the ones taking care of/guiding
> > their own people. In fact, globalization may make matters worse. (Will
> > have to think about this.)
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> > On Nov 18, 2:47 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self
> > > centered individuals and corporations that have that have little
> > > concern for others or our world..  but one thing that is coming out of
> > > it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to
> > > be..  Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better
> > > world.
> > > Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie
> > > Allan
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> > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is
> > > > ending-up.  This group is broadly parochial, white and barely
> > > > understands what it excludes and how.  We are reliant on centralised
> > > > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want.
> > > > Rigsy's question is about right.  Previous globalisation was
> > > > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in that
> > > > model.  It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests,
> > > > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite
> > > > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in
> > > > market share.  There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the
> > > > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has been
> > > > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'.  My list on
> > > > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including
> > > > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow
> > > > to be rot.  James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and
> > > > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all
> > > > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going.
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> > > > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news
> > > > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we
> > > > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the
> > > > enemies of open society.  Globalisation is getting very real in the
> > > > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon
> > > > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that
> > > > will allow remote and even home manufacturing.
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> > > > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never
> > > > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis.  I am broadly (but not
> > > > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic
> > > > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and
> > > > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes.  To discover
> > > > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled.  The
> > > > Internet's supposedly global reach does  not even compare.  How could
> > > > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter?  What would be
> > > > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us?  How about freedom from
> > > > work as means of income?
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> > > > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's.  Globalization
> > > >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not ego-
> > > >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and
> > > >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from other
> > > >> countries.  This group is comprised of folks from many different parts
> > > >> of the world.  A good example.
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> > > >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of everything world
> > > >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all.
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> > > >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> > > >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to
> > > >> > > everything world wide
> > > >> > > Allan
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> > > >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com <javascript:>>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an abstract term.
> > > >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be defined by the
> > > >> > > > strongest?)
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> > > >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me that can get
> > > >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over 30,000 Euro and
> > > >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad..  was never told the exact price..  but
> > > >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk..
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> > > >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those benefits
> > > >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are extremely
> > > >> > > >> selfish and uncaring...  Greedy is to soft a word for their
> > > >> > > >> activities..
> > > >> > > >> Allan
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> > > >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major powers/
> > > >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities among the
> > > >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our differences
> > > >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to watch and
> > > >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men aren't bad
> > > >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the "other" seemed
> > > >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess.
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> > > >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising.  In part this is stuff we
> > > >> > > >> >> don't want.  We are still haunted by superstition, sexism and
> > > >> > > >> >> imperialism.  I'd like to see more of our economies about building
> > > >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited vision of
> > > >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this.  Disease is likely
> > > >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in manufacturing
> > > >> > > >> >> for war.
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> > > >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference.
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> > > >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political and
> > > >> > > cultural, and
> > > >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe dream.
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> > > >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an emotional -
> > > >> > > mental thing...
> > > >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal dimensions of any
> > > >> > > thing
> > > >> > > >> >> > > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, covering
> > > >> > > almost
> > > >> > > >> >> > > everything existential in society, politics and economics ...
> > > >> > > and to
> > > >> > > >> >> > > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in
> > > >> > > everything
> > > >> > > >> >> > > experiential that individuals bring into their attitudes and
> > > >> > > everyday
> > > >> > > >> >> > > decision-making at their present level evolution.
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> > > >> > > >> >> > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. No one
> > > >> > > could stand
> > > >> > > >> >> > > up to its rigour ... not the champions and subscribers, not the
> > > >> > > staus
> > > >> > > >> >> > > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it factors
> > > >> > > in our
> > > >> > > >> >> > > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair to the
> > > >> > > weakest in
> > > >> > > >> >> > > our midst !
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> > > >> > > >> >> > > Au revoir ...
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> > > >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Lee Douglas
> > > >> > > wrote:
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> > > >> > > >> >> > > > Meh!  As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, live where
> > > >> > > you like, if
> > > >> > > >> >> > > > much of India wish to migrate to The USA and settle in the Mid
> > > >> > > West then go
> > > >> > > >> >> > > > to it.  However with around only 3-5% of Earth's land mass
> > > >> > > populated and
> > > >> > > >> >> > > > with an increasing amount of that population living in urban
> > > >> > > environments I
> > > >> > > >> >> > > > daresay that India has much land of it's own in which it's
> > > >> > > residents can
> > > >> > > >> >> > > > settle.  Even when much of the land is gone, we are in fact
> > > >> > > making strides
> > > >> > > >> >> > > > for sea based habitat.
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> > > >> > > >> >> > > > Over population is a concern, much, much more for reasons of
> > > >> > > food
> > > >> > > >> >> > > > and energy production though than any reasons of not enough
> > > >> > > land mass.
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> > > >> > > >> >> > > > On Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:15:16 UTC, Allan Heretic
> > > >> > > wrote:
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> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> Okay there is large sections of farm land in the Mid west
> > > >> > >  maybe we
> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> can help the people of India  resettle into that area..??
> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> Allan
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