Allan
I can not see why anyone wants a fruit tablet anyway, that is unless you like being controled..
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-- On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:27 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
And a round edged rectangle belongs to Apple alone and is worth 1
billion! Amazing. It is interesting that Jobs was so self-centered
while Gates has given back. Who is the "hero"?
On Aug 22, 10:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> but Lee four equal sides do not always create a square, but it is always a
> parallelogram.
> It is all in how you view it. lol
> Allan
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes that may be so, but if arranged into a square then it is a........ yes
> > that is right.......square.
>
> > On Wednesday, 22 August 2012 15:44:39 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> >> if you have four equal straight lines what you really have is a
> >> parallelogram. It is possible for a parallelogram to be a square.. but not
> >> all parallelograms are are squares.. even though they have 4 equal sides.
> >> My Box kite is a parallelogram... it is much more efficient and flies
> >> easier has to do with lifting surfaces.
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Lee Douglas <leerev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Haha yes indeed they do, but as Andrew tells us, this is due to ones
> >>> perspective. A square is a square and a cube is a cube. They may appear
> >>> differantlyfrom time to time and place to place, but the truth is still a
> >>> square is made up of 4 equal lines, and evermore shall this truth be.
>
> >>> On Wednesday, 22 August 2012 13:47:21 UTC+1, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >>>> Both square and cube disappear into a dot via the vanishing point.
>
> >>>> On Aug 22, 7:24 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > Heh yeah Rigsy, some would insist that a cube is a square, they would
> >>>> be
> >>>> > wrong to do so, but i guess some would still try huh.
>
> >>>> > All truths matter both absolute and relaitive.
>
> >>>> > Some absolute truths are what we try to teach in schools, how would
> >>>> you
> >>>> > feel if your wage packet was light? I worked X hours at Y rate,
> >>>> therefore
> >>>> > I should be paid Z. Yes indeed I do not think many workers would be
> >>>> > willing to suggest this truth be subjective.
>
> >>>> > Most subjective truths only matter umm subjectivly. Are, as I
> >>>> suspect,
> >>>> > Leeds Utd the greatest footbal team in the world?
>
> >>>> > Subjective truth, as it's name suggest has no ultimate authority and
> >>>> largly
> >>>> > I would agree with Andrew and say that such truths are about as valid
> >>>> as
> >>>> > each other(until they become objective). Objective truths owe there
> >>>> > objectivity to evidance that anyone can see and make up their own
> >>>> minds on,
> >>>> > so I would say that empirical facts are the ultmate authority.
>
> >>>> > Yes indeed, I think that most of what we call truth can be called
> >>>> > subjective, but there are some objective truths out there.
>
> >>>> > On Wednesday, 22 August 2012 13:03:24 UTC+1, rigsy03 wrote:
> >>>> > > Some will insist a cube is a square or twiddle with perspective.
>
> >>>> > > When does absolute truth matter? Is truth forever subject to
> >>>> > > correction? Who is the final authority of truth?
>
> >>>> > > Eye witnesses are a weak defense. Justice makes mistakes.
>
> >>>> > > People change their minds and feelings over time. (Think of divorce
> >>>> as
> >>>> > > an example. I love you can become I hate you, etc.) Then truth
> >>>> becomes
> >>>> > > a matter of taste or fancy rather than an objective reality.
>
> >>>> > > Scientific truths are constantly subjected to corrections.
>
> >>>> > > Outside of a short list, everything is up for grabs.
>
> >>>> > > On Aug 22, 5:05 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > > > Yes yes I get this, I don't agree but I get it.
>
> >>>> > > > Some truth is subjective, and some is objective. Whether you see
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > > elephant as just the leg, the tusk the ear or the trunk is
> >>>> irrelevant to
> >>>> > > > what the objective truth of the elephant is. So your position
> >>>> colours
> >>>> > > your
> >>>> > > > POV, this does not automaticaly make your POV valid. It means
> >>>> only that
> >>>> > > > you have not yet seen the thing from all angles.
>
> >>>> > > > There is a problem with makeing statments of generalisations,
> >>>> they are
> >>>> > > > inveriably wrong, as things really do not follow general
> >>>> principles. To
> >>>> > > > say for example 'I claim that all truths are subjective ONLY' is
> >>>> a
> >>>> > > massive
> >>>> > > > mistake. It takes only one tiny bit of evidance, logic or
> >>>> counter
> >>>> > > argument
> >>>> > > > to show just one little objective truth, for that statement to be
> >>>> false.
> >>>> > > > **
> >>>> > > > I belive I have already shown that there exist objective truths,
> >>>> i.e. a
> >>>> > > > square is made up of 4 equal lines. Now feel free to counter
> >>>> that, good
> >>>> > > > luck.
>
> >>>> > > > On Wednesday, 22 August 2012 10:31:37 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
> >>>> > > > > I claim that all truths are subjective only. After all we only
> >>>> have
> >>>> > > our
> >>>> > > > > own eyes and our own minds to obtain our own POVs and to claim
> >>>> what is
> >>>> > > true
> >>>> > > > > and what is not. If your POV is from earth, then the sun goes
> >>>> around
> >>>> > > the
> >>>> > > > > earth rising in the east and setting in the west. If you look
> >>>> on
> >>>> > > earth`s
> >>>> > > > > motion from another POV, then the earth rotates around the sun.
> >>>> From
> >>>> > > the
> >>>> > > > > universe`s POV, then it moves still in a different way. All are
> >>>> true,
> >>>> > > > > depending on the POV.
>
> >>>> > > > > On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:44:44 AM UTC+2, Lee Douglas
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>> > > > >> But that make no sense at all. Like the blind men and the
> >>>> elephant,
> >>>> > > > >> better to say that differnt seemingly contradictory POV's may
> >>>> appear
> >>>> > > to be
> >>>> > > > >> true. However this is due to not having all of the data
> >>>> avaliable
> >>>> > > from
> >>>> > > > >> which to make your mind up. If it is objective truth you are
> >>>> talking
> >>>> > > about
> >>>> > > > >> then a square cannot at the same time be discribed as a circle
> >>>> and
> >>>> > > yet
> >>>> > > > >> remain true. If it is subjective truth then this is due to
> >>>> one
> >>>> > > subjectivie
> >>>> > > > >> position.
>
> >>>> > > > >> On Tuesday, 21 August 2012 18:04:56 UTC+1, andrew vecsey
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>> > > > >>> The different paths of earth thru space is like the blind men
> >>>> > > describing
> >>>> > > > >>> the elephant.
> >>>> > > > >>> The density of the vacuum is like negatives of photographs.
> >>>> > > > >>> We are talking about examples of different points of views of
> >>>> one
> >>>> > > thing
> >>>> > > > >>> that give contradictory descriptions, and each description
> >>>> claiming
> >>>> > > to be
> >>>> > > > >>> the true description.
>
> >>>> > > > >>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:49:38 PM UTC+2, Lee Douglas
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>> > > > >>>> Or differant points of view can all claim to be true even
> >>>> though
> >>>> > > > >>>> enivitably only one is?
>
> >>>> > > > >>>> It's sorta like the 5 blind men and the one elephant isn't
> >>>> it?
>
> >>>> > > > >>>> Meh! Bedsies just what kind of truths are we talking now?
>
> >>>> > > > >>>> On Tuesday, 21 August 2012 16:30:01 UTC+1, andrew vecsey
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>> > > > >>>>> Different points of views can be all true. Comments and
> >>>> discussion
> >>>> > > > >>>>> greatly appreciated
>
> >>>> > > > >>>>> For example,
>
> >>>> > > > >>>>> - The earth does NOT rotate around sun.
> >>>> > > > >>>>> - The emptiness of a vacuum is more dense than the most
> >>>> dense
> >>>> > > > >>>>> matter.
> >>>> > > > >>>>> - atoms and their electrons have physical shapes that
> >>>> determine
> >>>> > > > >>>>> their characteristics.
>
> >>>> > > > >>>>> In the essay below, it is argued that different points of
> >>>> view can
> >>>> > > all
> >>>> > > > >>>>> be true.
>
> >>>> > > > >>>>> *Universe** centric point of view*
> >>>> > > > >>>>> From an earth centric point of view, the sun and universe
> >>>> rotate
> >>>> > > > >>>>> around the earth.
> >>>> > > > >>>>> From a sun centric point of view, the earth rotates around
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > sun.
> >>>> > > > >>>>> From a universe centric point of view, the earth does not
> >>>> rotate
> >>>> > > > >>>>> around the sun but travels along with it in a sinusoidal
> >>>> swinging
> >>>> > > from side
> >>>> > > > >>>>> to side but always going in a forward path. It never
> >>>> actually
> >>>> > > turns around
> >>>> > > > >>>>> 360 degrees and goes the other way, like it does in the sun
> >>>> > > centric view.This repetitive swinging from one side of the sun to
> >>>> the other
> >>>> > > side appears
> >>>> > > > >>>>> from the sun's point of view to be an orbital, but from a
> >>>> > > universal point
> >>>> > > > >>>>> of view, it is sinusoidal. The earth is always being pushed
> >>>> > > towards the
> >>>> > > > >>>>> sun. When it is on the front side of it, the push towards
> >>>> the sun
> >>>> > > acts to
> >>>> > > > >>>>> decelerate it. When it is at the sun's back side, the push
> >>>> towards
> >>>> > > the sun
> >>>> > > > >>>>> accelerates it forward. When it is on one side of the sun,
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > push towards
> >>>> > > > >>>>> the sun pushes it towards the other side. The earth follows
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > sun like a
> >>>> > > > >>>>> child running circles around his father as they are both
> >>>> walking.
> >>>> > > The earth
> >>>> > > > >>>>> spins at 463 m/s at its equator making it look from our
> >>>> stationary
> >>>> > > earth
> >>>> > > > >>>>> that the sun and the universe rotate around the earth. The
> >>>> sun
> >>>> > > and
> >>>> > > > >>>>> the earth travel 250 km/s thru the galaxy. The earth
> >>>> travels at 30
> >>>> > > km/s
> >>>> > > > >>>>> around the sun. That makes the earth's path thru space non
> >>>> > > orbital.
>
> >>>> > > > >>>>> ***An inside-out point of view*
>
> >>>> > > > >>>>> Everyday experience indicates that mass is denser than the
> >>>> space
> >>>> > > it
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