Yes I know of the excessive cost of people taking advantage of a program that can be for free. When I came into AA the rich mans programs were just starting.. I was to poor so they didn't want anything to do with me.. so I became sober the old fashion way, not drinking and going to meetings.. it will still work today but that is to cheap for the greedy medical community.
Allan
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:38 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jumping in here- my idea of "morbid guilt" would be that which
paralyzes development past a trauma. It is different than the tumbling/
domino reaction that a traumatic event sparks- more like physics or
chemical reaction, in a way. But...what is identity?
I don't find you "simple", Allan. Why do you disparage yourself? Thank
you for being "here" so loyally- whatever "here" means! :-)
Back to your comment about AA- essentially a seflish program of
necessity. Older alcoholics who had money would go to spas and
steambath their way to sobriety- until the next bout. I never even
heard of AA until I was in my 30's- at that point I joined an Alanon
group at a nearby church but think the divorce rate pretty high from
that group- it probably was part of the motive of joining up- keeping
score, so to speak, rather than understanding the spiritual element.
At the same time, treatment centers started springing up- last I
heard, getting sober might cost 5 figures a month. There is another
element now of drug addicts going to AA rather than narco-something
which introduces a whole new can of worms. Anyway, I think drinking
alone is what got me in trouble when all the children had "graduated"
the nest- but I was ripe, anyway. lol I really don't miss drinking but
have thought if I got a fatal diagnosis in the future, I might need a
few shots of single malt whiskey to ease the way to eternity.
On Jul 19, 2:48 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know I am simple James, but what do you mean by morbid guilt?
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:59 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 7/17/2012 6:50 AM, Molly wrote:
>
> >> I have a friend who is contemplating self forgiveness. Any suggestions?
>
> > Look back from a context of greater maturity, in the meantime apply time
> > and experience: pursue excellence, appreciate moderation, respect processes.
>
> > Through personal growth pieces of the story begin falling in place,
> > motives are replaced with expanded and stronger ones.
>
> > Morbid guilt might be another matter, where it mixes with identity seems
> > very elusive. I have a friend that would much appreciate your input.
>
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> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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