Re: Mind's Eye self forgiveness

That is very true Rigsy,,  what people are trying to do is show that it is possible to succeed and stop drink,,  unfortunately today there has become a speakers circuit and a lot of egos which is not always the best.  Al-Anon is much harder   all a drunk as to do is stop drinking  ..   Al-anon has to start with the mess the drunk created with  no clear starting point.

When you really look at the 12 steps they are there to improve the quality of you life.

Allan

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:

But self-forgiveness is a key feature of Al-Anon and children of
alcoholics also, Allan- and just as difficult as the process gone
through by the drinker. //I rarely heard anyone speak of remorse in
AA- in fact many were still celebrating their messes when they gave
talks.

On Jul 17, 8:33 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi Molly,
> self forgiveness is kid of a strange process,,  forgiveness involves the
> idea we have done something wrong or doing something harmful to ourselves
> or others.  It also implies that we want to change our ways..  An example
> might be my being alcoholic.  I stopped drinking in december of 1979 (one
> or to days ago..) . The part of the process of forgiving myself for the
> harm I was doing to myself was I had to stop drinking. Simply put I had to
> change my ways so I 'sinned' no more.  From there I had to attempt to
> straighten out the harm that I had done, I needed to take an moral
> inventory..   asking forgiveness where possible but I had no right to take
> others inventory to justify my actions by what they did to me.. in the
> process you find forgiveness.
>
> One of the best sources for understanding is the 12 step program of AA,,
>  unfortunately some lawyers have gotten involved..  but the program is
> still out there and it really will work on anything.. you just have to
> apply the principles .. they really do work and forgiveness is there. The
> 12 steps (program) is an excellent set written of guidelines that have
> proven their value.
> Allan
>

> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have a friend who is contemplating self forgiveness.  Any suggestions?
>
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> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.