Re: Mind's Eye Re: self forgiveness

A likely problem is identifying the origin of the trauma that demands
self-forgiveness. This is widely held as impossible in therapeutic
theory. A lot of people go down the Blair route and Catholic
absolution. I still want to know who I was working for when I did
things supposedly for Queen and country. I still feel guilt about
being scared at the time - though this is actually what got me
through. A lot of my colleagues were traumatised by the discovery
they were not warriors after all, some by the shame of doing what we
were told as necessary. Much need for self-forgiveness arises outside
the individual and my sense of relief is not through introspection.

On Jul 17, 4:01 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> lol Gabby what do you expect from a bunch of drunks.  I for one am
> very grateful for it  and it works very well for me at least especially
> since i really did do the first three steps..  once i did them  including
> both parts of step one.. it works very well ..  all that I understood
> started really falling into place.
> It is the most universal program that I know of.
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> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for pointing out this source of spirituality as well.
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> > It leaves me undecided as to who has been instrumentalized and misused
> > more: God or the Sinner.
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> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Sorry  she will need to change the word "alcohol" to what ever the
> >> problem seems to be.. lol  it really is a generic program.
> >> Allan
> >>http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/smf-121_en.pdf
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> >> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/smf-121_en.pdf
> >>> there is the reference if she wants to look at them.
> >>> Allan
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> >>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>> Oh, my impression is that she is going through something more general.
> >>>>  Having memories that might seem to be regret, if we attach that to them.
> >>>>  I don't think she is thinking about any one action, rather, the course
> >>>> that her life has taken.  What she might have done differently if given
> >>>> another chance.
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> >>>> On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:33:14 AM UTC-4, rigsy03 wrote:
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> >>>>> How serious is the offense?
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> >>>>> On Jul 17, 5:50 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > I have a friend who is contemplating self forgiveness.  Any
> >>>>> suggestions?
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> >>> |_D Allan
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> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >> |_D Allan
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> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.