Friday, July 6, 2012

Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

I know the adam and eve thing,, a disobedience to God  dogma,,  
Sorry Genesis is an interesting way of explaining creation to an ignorant people  and in that it does a good job in doing.. 

I think it is one of those hypes to keep people in line an living in fear.
Allan
 

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:35 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm too hot to study. I might have something that would explain
Original Sin- either the Summa or Divine Comedy (great notes in the
Sayer's translation) but let me guess. I'd put my money on the
disobedience of Eve and Adam and expulsion from Eden plus its curses
which is not unlike Prometheus and Pandora myths and other creation
myths. The pattern seems a separation from the creator which has to be
repaired through religion/dogma and rituals. But is a baby is born in
the state of sin by  the mere fact of it being human? Does science
even promote this via genetics, psychology and other theories? Since
religion has historically been a linch-pin of human society this
theory would ensure a compliant or nervous group to govern either by
tribal leaders, politicians or the military, wouldn't it? What do you
think?

On Jul 4, 3:46 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting, I like the RV church ,,  but sorry no one has ever given that
> answer .. To me it is a question they want to avoid.
> It can be a reasonable examination ,  but the original sin leaves a lot of
> question to it's origin.
>
> At sometime it may have been understood but lost deep in chuch archives..
> Allan
>  On Jul 4, 2012 10:09 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Roman Catholic sacrament of Baptism deals with the pre-existence
> > of the soul as it is intended to cleanse the soul of Original Sin-
> > which means the Church Fathers must have accepted the notion of the
> > soul's pre-existence to begin with.
>
> > On Jul 4, 8:07 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am not sure how aggressive it is , the  concept has been floating
> > around
> > > for eons.. christianity does not want to deal with the concept of a soul
> > > and its origin..  the preexistence of  soul is an idea they hide from.
>
> > > the reality spirituality is a subject tip toe around and trying to use
> > many
> > > words and say little..
>
> > > As I view it, (it has been a struggle for me to arrive at this view
> > point.)
> > > this reality is only a way station in a spiritual existence. This is not
> > > the end stage. when we are born into this world our should give up their
> > > knowledge and are in effect are saying that we know how to live in a
> > > physical plain and raise ourselves to a higher spiritual level..  the
> > > highest being a level of complete harmony with the Entirety. (or God if
> > you
> > > insist  but actually that is an incorrect concept.)
>
> > > I believe the Tibetan Buddhist monks simply abandon the body to nature so
> > > it can complete its cycle and return to earth.  It is the soul that is of
> > > importance,   I really do not see much difference than the  the soul
> > being
> > > reborn as...
> > > Allan
> > > On Jul 4, 2012 10:38 AM, "Vam" <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > This is aggressive stuff, Allan !  Thank you.
>
> > > > The hardest thing in context is that we believe we are the body,
> > > > empirically. Hence, people find no one, no " I," no possibility of
> > > > anything even remotely akin or connected to our self, before the body
> > > > is born.
>
> > > > Soul to such people is an obscure thing, conceptually and
> > > > phenomenally. We therefore find the suggestion, of a soul before the
> > > > child is born, fantastic. Ridiculous, in other
> > > > words.
>
> > > > On Jul 4, 11:06 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > What is so hard about seeing the possibility of the soul existing
> > before
> > > > > the child is born?
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