news about how they track absolutely everything- even one's address
book- also interviews with young users who were not alarmed as their
culture thrives on dirty laundry and letting it "all hang out". There
are parental controls but not sure they really protect the user in the
long run. Google, at least, asks permission to share info.
On Mar 14, 8:19 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No problem Smart phones are crazy and which is which is crazier my
> neighbor has one and my wife just recieved a new HTC Desire from her Work
> and I am looking at the Samsung Note but will probably buy a Electric
> bike.. they are cool but very expensive between 2 and 3 grand for a
> good one
> Allan
> Live is crazy
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You are right. It could have been the number of times I read Neil
> > mentioning his iPhone investment in his notes. Sorry for the confusion.
>
> > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> the 4 refers to the iPhone model you really should have popped the
> >> extra cash and got him a samsung galaxy Note,,
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:09 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> The price for so much stinginess and spreading so much bound bad energy
> >>> is protective deafness and self controlled communication and interaction
> >>> via device rather than man. Or did I misread you and you have already
> >>> bought him 4 iPhones?
>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:47 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> The rise of democracy, modern capitalism and well-paid jobs is little
> >>>> understood I guess - otherwise we'd have an economics that worked from
> >>>> decent livelihoods up. In war we feed our soldiers a pound of meat a
> >>>> day (other than in logistic cock-ups and Haliburton rip-offs - that's
> >>>> where Thomas Cook the travel agent started) - but our trainees are now
> >>>> so poor they skip at least one meal because they can't afford it. We
> >>>> need creative thinking with a critical edge - I've just started a
> >>>> Johan Lehrer book that is out Stateside but not here until next month
> >>>> that says lack of the critical kills creativity dead.
> >>>> My starting point is that science is value-laden (it's surely a value
> >>>> to want truth rather than fable) and the facts are so intolerable to
> >>>> most they are avoided (there is a Freudian ring here - reality is
> >>>> pushed under cover). To remove poverty (at least materially) the
> >>>> obvious start is the provision of livelihoods and accommodating our
> >>>> economics and law to that. It's surely clear we don't and have been
> >>>> removing points of resistance like trade unions and meaningful voting.
> >>>> I've just bought my grandson an i-Phone 4S against my better judgement
> >>>> and in favour of the pressures he lives in in the teenage set. I
> >>>> don't know what to tell him about the truth on Apple, or what his
> >>>> desire for this pathetic toy is about, and how this is manipulated
> >>>> into the success of Apple as a tax avoiding, offshore crap employer
> >>>> and even deaths in exploding factories without reasonable health and
> >>>> safety. One can say much the same on teaching business and economics
> >>>> to gawping 18 year-olds who increasingly default on their loans
> >>>> because there are no decent jobs. They like the idea of Steve Jobs as
> >>>> an iconoclast hero.
>
> >>>> On Mar 12, 1:38 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> > I was thinking of these as they were integrated into Common Law and
> >>>> > still impact modern law, litigation and taxation. But don't "test"
> >>>> > me...yet!// I don't think there is a "need" for a poor class either
> >>>> > but it exists even with government assistance programs. Is it related
> >>>> > to ambition? Some of our immigrants were dirt poor on arrival but
> >>>> > gradually prospered. Did the economic system of the time- manual
> >>>> > labor, mostly- help? Then there are wars and unions to consider. What
> >>>> > about personal characteristics? There certainly are rags to riches to
> >>>> > rags stories abounding. How have current economies changed the nature
> >>>> > of the workforce- consider the influence of the Industrial
> >>>> > Revolution.//Anyway, I have dusted off 10 volumes of Churchill and
> >>>> > have started in after watching a great version of Richard III. I read
> >>>> > a couple sets long ago but it seems all new again. I must say, the
> >>>> > English are/were certainly a resiliant bunch. :-)//Finally, more than
> >>>> > one stay-at-home mom has exclaimed she was a "slave" in my lifetime so
> >>>> > that's probably the lure of an outside job plus it seems impossible to
> >>>> > live on one salary although it also costs a lot to work sometimes. Now
> >>>> > we just consider our life styles obsolete.
>
> >>>> > On Mar 11, 5:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> > > I remember the Danegeld and Bots and Wers (blood payments to
> >>>> widows).
> >>>> > > I'm resistant to the idea that there is any need for a poor class,
> >>>> but
> >>>> > > I also dislike free riding when work needs doing. I think we've
> >>>> lost
> >>>> > > the plot on work organisation and money.
>
> >>>> > > On Mar 10, 6:58 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> > > > Rents are related to Saxon/Danish tributes, in a sense. In fact,
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > > whole idea of money setting the value was Germanic, I believe. And
> >>>> > > > one's worth was also set by law and culture.
>
> >>>> > > > On Mar 9, 2:09 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> > > > > In Piff's experiments it doesn't matter much if you are born
> >>>> into the
> >>>> > > > > wealth, so what you and rigs say holds in comparison. It's not
> >>>> > > > > sympathy with the poor - if this system worked it wouldn't
> >>>> matter.
> >>>> > > > > What I object to is serfdom to rents (as the economic term) -
> >>>> what I'd
> >>>> > > > > look forward to is a society in which we can do stuff without
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > > > current money motives. We restrict a lot of human activity
> >>>> through
> >>>> > > > > law and culture. I think we've got the way we do money wrong
> >>>> and
> >>>> > > > > should by now have a more moral system in keeping with
> >>>> democracy. We
> >>>> > > > > haven't and are losing democratic control and many what they
> >>>> thought
> >>>> > > > > were such things as secure pensions. My 'allegiance' is with
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > > > thought of a better form of life. Austerity, in which the poor
> >>>> have
> >>>> > > > > to take less, is ludicrous in the massively improved
> >>>> productivity of
> >>>> > > > > the present. My guess is, if we had a cull of the top 10%, we
> >>>> would
> >>>> > > > > soon not notice any skill loss. I only suggest this as a
> >>>> thought
> >>>> > > > > experiment to cut through the bull they put out on their
> >>>> necessity -
> >>>> > > > > and hence the necessity for all the mega wealth as
> >>>> 'motivation'. If
> >>>> > > > > we could put a global salary cap on soccer at £80K the game
> >>>> wouldn't
> >>>> > > > > stop.
>
> >>>> > > > > On Mar 9, 5:45 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>> > > > > > why do you think poor is a negative standard.. i mean of
> >>>> course the word
> >>>> > > > > > itself is negative.. what about austerity .. why should it be
> >>>> noble than
> >>>> > > > > > poor.... i wonder sometimes how it must feel to be rich.. the
> >>>> one thought
> >>>> > > > > > that comes is what will i do with all my money(do our 'means'
> >>>> influence our
> >>>> > > > > > personalities much?).... and at times i wonder what sort of
> >>>> aspirations i
> >>>> > > > > > would have had i had been poor.... i agree with rigs.. it
> >>>> really depends on
> >>>> > > > > > the person... someone poor removed from his poverty and
> >>>> gaining means could
> >>>> > > > > > turn out to be very unscrupulous.. you would think they might
> >>>> have
> >>>> > > > > > empathy.. but i guess that's not always the case... but then
> >>>> again one
> >>>> > > > > > feels that the fact that some have and others not... and
> >>>> keeping in the
> >>>> > > > > > background that its completely accidently this distribution
> >>>> of wealth.. or
> >>>> > > > > > prosperity...you sympathize with the poor... is it he thought
> >>>> that it
> >>>> > > > > > couldve been us.. or is it that they didnt deserve it...
>
> >>>> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > Hen and egg leads to evolution, that to 'big bang'
> >>>> considerations.
> >>>> > > > > > > One wonders what we miss even in such. If infinity is
> >>>> 'real'
> >>>> > > > > > > everything that is possible has to happen and monkeys
> >>>> chained to
> >>>> > > > > > > typewriters produce Shakespeare - which can be simulated on
> >>>> computer.
> >>>> > > > > > > Results are that one monkey typing of infinite time could
> >>>> do the job
> >>>> > > > > > > and , of course, in an infinite universe one money is doing
> >>>> this right
> >>>> > > > > > > now. This, of course, equates to the same person winning
> >>>> the lottery
> >>>> > > > > > > every week ad infinitum. One can do calculations with
> >>>> finite numbers
> >>>> > > > > > > on the distance one has to travel to meet oneself on
> >>>> another earth.
> >>>> > > > > > > Light travels very fast in space (and down to bicycle speed
> >>>> in a Bose-
> >>>> > > > > > > Einstein condensate), though how fast is it travelling in
> >>>> that space
> >>>> > > > > > > travelling faster than light being sucked into a blackhole?
> >>>> At some
> >>>> > > > > > > point in the big bang one needs a vast and very fat
> >>>> inflation, this
> >>>> > > > > > > itself once maths is applied suggests not only an infinite
> >>>> universe,
> >>>> > > > > > > but an infinite number of them. Maybe infinity is a dud
> >>>> concept?
> >>>> > > > > > > In human affairs I think we meet more grounded
> >>>> possibilities and get
> >>>> > > > > > > distracted by endless critical possibility. The problem
> >>>> is that most
> >>>> > > > > > > people are more or less non-numerate and can't see much of
> >>>> a chain of
> >>>> > > > > > > consequences -as in polygamy for males and what this means
> >>>> for women,
> >>>> > > > > > > or what one can be as a man in such reduced circumstances
> >>>> for women..
> >>>> > > > > > > Riches produce certain opportunities for the rich and take
> >>>> them away
> >>>> > > > > > > from
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