probably were young adults in different eras with different norms. In
the late '50's smoking and drinking were still sophisticated and
glamourous- we thought. Our rules were quite different from the '60's
and '70's.//Sometimes my "tragedies" are slap-stick comedy...The
Perils of Pauline. We simply must "carry on", as they say.
On Mar 18, 8:22 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My humor is epic (tragedy).
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:10 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > To each their own.
>
> > On Mar 15, 4:03 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Awash with nettles and kettles alike! Aye, -isms are second to -asms
> >> as those who can "optimimize" do while those who can't are
> >> "optimistic". :p Or perhaps mind over meta won't matter if we put the
> >> carriage before the cargo. I agree on the -isms mostly Rigsy, whenever
> >> I pick one up it's like the flu, perhaps a little druglike at first
> >> then "blah", head feels like it's full of syrup. Unfortunately people
> >> seem to stick with it like an STD!
>
> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Free will was a nettle to the Papacy as it countered their reliance on
> >> > Original Sin as a basis for their doctrines and practices and it has
> >> > the same problems with other "isms".
>
> >> > On Mar 9, 11:04 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Will is a consequence of neural activity , one thought leads to another and
> >> >> so the chain goes on. Ultimately it is the brain , which is physical , that
> >> >> is responsible for all thoughts , consciousness and actions. Whether we
> >> >> like it or not, it is matter that is responsible for our psyche.
>
> >> >> On Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:03:21 AM UTC+5:30, RP Singh wrote:
>
> >> >> > We are bound by very subtle ties and our ostensible freedom is wrapped
> >> >> > in bondage. If we lock up criminals we are bound and if we don't we
> >> >> > are still bound. Nature, within our will and that without, binds us.
>
> >> >> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:01 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > Secular myths abound - largely because most of us are early-tuned to
> >> >> > > religious ones. I suspect that the idea of social science is one of
> >> >> > > them. Peter Winch wrote a small book on the topic in 1960 - I'd guess
> >> >> > > he was one of Wittgenstein's students. We mythologise many secular
> >> >> > > elements of society - democracy is one, leadership another. Science
> >> >> > > becomes one in those thinking it can answer all questions or (as in
> >> >> > > Dawkins) is the only important focus. If we have no free will we
> >> >> > > should stop locking up criminals. The question on free will is what
> >> >> > > life would entail without it and consequent responsibilities denied.
> >> >> > > Even Nietzsche insisted having seen the chaos we should make oursleves
> >> >> > > works of art.
>
> >> >> > > On Jan 6, 5:17 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >> I totally agree with you Molly
> >> >> > >> On Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM, "Molly" <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > >> > There is more to life than the realm of cause and effect. Many of us
> >> >> > >> > just prefer it there.
>
> >> >> > >> > On Jan 5, 5:27 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >> > > Free will is a reality.. the problem comes once you made your
> >> >> > choice and
> >> >> > >> > > the effects of the choice ,, these results appear that you have no
> >> >> > >> > > choice,, you just mad it earlier.
> >> >> > >> > > Allan
>
> >> >> > >> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >> > > > Humanity has always, for some reason, felt the need to support his
> >> >> > >> > > > world view with a series of myths commonly termed beliefs in
> >> >> > order to,
> >> >> > >> > > > in some way, justify its behaviour. We must not, however, believe
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > >> > > > these myths are always spiritual or mystical in nature. Many are
> >> >> > not.
>
> >> >> > >> > > > The legitimacy of a myth depends on many features. Umberto Eco in
> >> >> > his
> >> >> > >> > > > excellent tome 'Foucault's Pendulum' quietly draws our attention
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > >> > > > the requirements needed for the creation of a robust myth and
> >> >> > there is
> >> >> > >> > > > no doubt that within most religious and philosophical beliefs the
> >> >> > >> > > > required elements are found.
>
> >> >> > >> > > > Secular myths, however, are somewhat harder to pin down. This may
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > >> > > > because they are founded little more than intuition. They are
> >> >> > >> > > > therefore difficult to identify as myths in the first place. Also,
> >> >> > >> > > > such myths can often serve a very useful purpose.
>
> >> >> > >> > > > Let us take as an example the idea of freewill. The idea is so
> >> >> > >> > > > embedded in our psych that most of us believe it to be a reality.
> >> >> > Even
> >> >> > >> > > > so, an in depth study soon reveals the fragility of the idea. So
> >> >> > >> > > > fragile is it that philosophers have argued over the question of
> >> >> > >> > > > determinism v free will for generations; time which could have
> >> >> > been
> >> >> > >> > > > more usefully employed on other ventures. Indeed some eminent
> >> >> > >> > > > philosophers believe that free will and determinism can sit
> >> >> > >> > > > legitimately together – the so called Such is the nature of a
> >> >> > myth.
>
> >> >> > >> > > > We can only suppose that such an idea must appear rational to us
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > >> > > > order to give it legitimacy. After all, our ideas of virtuous
> >> >> > >> > > > behaviour, responsibility and justice are founded on the idea of
> >> >> > free
> >> >> > >> > > > will; that we are responsible for our actions and must accept our
> >> >> > >> > > > responsibilities. Yet, there is no doubt that free will defies the
> >> >> > >> > > > tenets embodied in modern physics, the idea of cause and effect.
> >> >> > It
> >> >> > >> > > > seems to be extremely difficult for us to accept that some things
> >> >> > just
> >> >> > >> > > > are.
>
> >> >> > >> > > > I am interested in this dilemma because if we eventually
> >> >> > discover, if
> >> >> > >> > > > we have not already, that determinism is beyond dispute how
> >> >> > should we
> >> >> > >> > > > react? How could we possibly recreate our society to live with
> >> >> > such a
> >> >> > >> > > > 'truth'?
>
> >> >> > >> > > --
> >> >> > >> > > (
> >> >> > >> > > )
> >> >> > >> > > |_D Allan
>
> >> >> > >> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> >> >> On Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:03:21 AM UTC+5:30, RP Singh wrote:
>
> >> >> > We are bound by very subtle ties and our ostensible freedom is wrapped
> >> >> > in bondage. If we lock up criminals we are bound and if we don't we
> >> >> > are still bound. Nature, within our will and that without, binds us.
>
> >> >> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:01 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > Secular myths abound - largely because most of us are early-tuned to
> >> >> > > religious ones. I suspect that the idea of social science is one of
> >> >> > > them. Peter Winch wrote a small book on the topic in 1960 - I'd guess
> >> >> > > he was one of Wittgenstein's students. We mythologise many secular
> >> >> > > elements of society - democracy is one, leadership another. Science
> >> >> > > becomes one in those thinking it can answer all questions or (as in
> >> >> > > Dawkins) is the only important focus. If we have no free will we
> >> >> > > should stop locking up criminals. The question on free will is what
> >> >> > > life would entail without it and consequent responsibilities denied.
> >> >> > > Even Nietzsche insisted having seen the chaos we should make oursleves
> >> >> > > works of art.
>
> >> >> > > On Jan 6, 5:17 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >> I totally agree with you Molly
> >> >> > >> On Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM, "Molly" <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > >> > There is more to life than the realm of cause and effect. Many of us
> >> >> > >> > just prefer it there.
>
> >> >> > >> > On Jan 5, 5:27 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >> > > Free will is a reality.. the problem comes once you made your
> >> >> > choice and
> >> >> > >> > > the effects of the choice ,, these results appear that you have no
> >> >> > >> > > choice,, you just mad it earlier.
> >> >> > >> > > Allan
>
> >> >> > >> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >> > > > Humanity has always, for some reason, felt the need to support his
> >> >> > >> > > > world view with a series of myths commonly termed beliefs in
> >> >> > order to,
> >> >> > >> > > > in some way, justify its behaviour. We must not, however, believe
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > >> > > > these myths are always spiritual or mystical in nature. Many are
> >> >> > not.
>
> >> >> > >> > > > The legitimacy of a myth depends on many features. Umberto Eco in
> >> >> > his
> >> >> > >> > > > excellent tome 'Foucault's Pendulum' quietly draws our attention
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > >> > > > the requirements needed for the creation of a robust myth and
> >> >> > there is
> >> >> > >> > > > no doubt that within most religious and philosophical beliefs the
> >> >> > >> > > > required elements are found.
>
> >> >> > >> > > > Secular myths, however, are somewhat harder to pin down. This may
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > >> > > > because they are founded little more than intuition. They are
> >> >> > >> > > > therefore difficult to identify as myths in the first place. Also,
> >> >> > >> > > > such myths can often serve a very useful purpose.
>
> >> >> > >> > > > Let us take as an example the idea of freewill. The idea is so
> >> >> > >> > > > embedded in our psych that most of us believe it to be a reality.
> >> >> > Even
> >> >> > >> > > > so, an in depth study soon reveals the fragility of the idea. So
> >> >> > >> > > > fragile is it that philosophers have argued over the question of
> >> >> > >> > > > determinism v free will for generations; time which could have
> >> >> > been
> >> >> > >> > > > more usefully employed on other ventures. Indeed some eminent
> >> >> > >> > > > philosophers believe that free will and determinism can sit
> >> >> > >> > > > legitimately together – the so called Such is the nature of a
> >> >> > myth.
>
> >> >> > >> > > > We can only suppose that such an idea must appear rational to us
> >> >> > in
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