the lights on Don. I once worked with some old loonies who thought
Harold Wilson was a Soviet spy (most of them were upper-class loons -
Wilson was a grammar schoolboy). It's possible the history of the US
is as dire as Alex Blum tells it and that this is the work of
international banksterism. Churchill looks good for the bag man role
if the rest of the house of cards is true. Of course, it's part of a
novel plot to me - but if true would be much more important to
establishing genuine democracy than howling rot about unseen trees.
Blair as CIA has been done (Robert Harris). When one looks at the
erase with which all kinds of cretinous royalty held on to power over
centuries, the idea of a hidden plutocracy is at least a contender as
a reason our democracies only look good against tin-pot personality
cults writ large.
On Jan 2, 4:08 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> political history, current events, love of family, are all a
> reflection of spirit in action as we express it. Your nephew's
> imaginary friend may be one of the purest forms. I can only imagine
> the joy and privilege of witnessing it.
>
> On Jan 1, 1:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > So they say, Molly. My 3-year-old nephew made up a fantasy character to be
> > able to communicate his view with the rest of his family. They find this
> > amusing and useful.
>
> > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > We are myth driven creatures.
>
> > > On Dec 31 2011, 6:59 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I actually didn't know that much about his personal history. We know
> > > > him only through what may as well be Hollywood biopic. Great leaders
> > > > seem to need retrospective hagiography. How does this work on us and
> > > > why doesn't education really challenge any of it?
>
> > > > On Dec 31, 10:08 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > my my, he was born 8 months after they were married,, wonder what
> > > that
> > > > > has to say about good old winston
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:35 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > He was half American- his mother was Jenny Jerome who lived a daring
> > > > > > life- you can probably Google her. His father was Randolph, I
> > > believe,
> > > > > > who married for money like other peers of the period. His gift was
> > > > > > "blah"- a spurring rhetoric. His histories are not respected by
> > > > > > history majors as he fudged the facts. Like Napoleon, he has many
> > > > > > admirers who disregard the terrible realities of their dances with
> > > > > > history.
>
> > > > > > Jenny, by the way, had two later husbands younger than her son. Her
> > > > > > death is a warning against high heels- a heel broke- she fell down
> > > the
> > > > > > stairs- the mend was botched- her leg was amputated- blood poisoning-
> > > > > > death. Amen.
>
> > > > > > On Dec 30, 6:31 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Two came with the house Allan. The one at the back blew down -
> > > pity
> > > > > > > as it was a nice mountain ash type of rowan. The one in the front
> > > is
> > > > > > > called a street rowan and serves no purpose other than to block out
> > > > > > > what little sun we get at the front. An odd squirrel or two use
> > > it.
> > > > > > > I know it's ours only because the Council wouldn't include it when
> > > the
> > > > > > > thinned out some street trees last year. I have rather more
> > > against
> > > > > > > Churchill than the tree, but would like to replace it with
> > > something
> > > > > > > more colourful. Churchill is something of a heroic oak in our
> > > popular
> > > > > > > culture, but led the country to bankruptcy in wars that suited the
> > > > > > > American Empire rather too well for me to believe it was
> > > accidental.
> > > > > > > He was hand-in-glove with JP Morgan and they now run our Post
> > > Office
> > > > > > > bank accounts!
>
> > > > > > > I feel the proof issues in matters like this are more likely to
> > > have
> > > > > > > relevance to why we have no democracy free of bankster-finance than
> > > > > > > speculation that god is proved by the fact the tree is in the
> > > > > > > quadrangle when we don't look.
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 30, 8:35 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Maybe a better question is why would you need a rowan tree Neil
> > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 8:46 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Questions like whether the tree is in the quadrangle if no one
> > > is
> > > > > > > > > looking are classroom tricks aimed at getting some thinking
> > > going.
> > > > > > > > > Frege had some ideas I've not seen discussed in here. For
> > > him, ideas
> > > > > > > > > were not thoughts. Thoughts existed in a third realm. I'm
> > > shaky on
> > > > > > > > > phenomenology - largely because a lot of it ends up in a
> > > complex
> > > > > > > > > lexicon of terms to describe itself. Heidegger suggested the
> > > firm
> > > > > > > > > ground of our lives was a better place to consider thoughts and
> > > > > > > > > thinking.
>
> > > > > > > > > Ordinary objects like trees are problematic in philosophy -
> > > they turn
> > > > > > > > > out to be some structure of atoms and so on. Some have
> > > suggested we
> > > > > > > > > should exclude them. In language I can say that 'unheard
> > > trees have
> > > > > > > > > been done to death' and most will get the drift, without
> > > thinking I
> > > > > > > > > have been out beating unheard trees with my cricket bat.
> > > Frankly, if
> > > > > > > > > the unheard tree stuff had an import we'd find illegal logging
> > > > > > > > > companies telling us about it when their sawmills were full
> > > and our
> > > > > > > > > forests empty.
>
> > > > > > > > > More interesting to me is that I can say (truthfully) that
> > > there is a
> > > > > > > > > rowan tree in my front garden. Confirming this is relatively
> > > > > > > > > straightforward. What I think we need to be better able to
> > > spot as
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > need of argument is stuff like the context of argument that
> > > allows
> > > > > > > > > politicians to tell us the same lies over and over again.
> > > This might
> > > > > > > > > help is to a better grip on what democracy is as a
> > > theory-in-action.
>
> > > > > > > > > Let me cast this by saying I believe Winston Churchill was an
> > > > > > American
> > > > > > > > > spy and bag man for JP Morgan - against the fact that there is
> > > a
> > > > > > rowan
> > > > > > > > > tree in my front garden. It's easy enough for you to ask for
> > > > > > evidence
> > > > > > > > > to establish beyond doubt that the rowan tree is where I say
> > > it is
> > > > > > > > > (however much we might discuss its atoms or whether it's there
> > > when
> > > > > > > > > none of us is watching it). What we should ask is why the
> > > Churchill
> > > > > > > > > thing is so much more difficult (I can't prove this to my own
> > > > > > > > > satisfaction as a fact - but what would be the grounds)?
>
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted
> > > text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > (
> > > > > )
> > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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