[Mind's Eye] Re: The practical politics of well-being

Yes- democracy is a great system when it works.

On Dec 8, 10:14 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Our weather is typical foul-British.  Monkebus is, of course, right.
> The usual dismissal of this is to say OK but democracy is still the
> best game in town. Sun bathing is good too. The issue on well-being is
> our systems don't deliver much of it for many - and I guess that if we
> get it it's too often at the expense of the toil of others.  In
> Britain we really want to be Germany and earn of place in the world
> through making stuff and exporting it.  The truth is we rely on bent
> banking.  My own problem with well-being is moral and not being able
> to be so.
>
> On Dec 8, 2:46 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> > Rigsy is complaining about all the snow,,  but it windy over here..
> > Allan
>
> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm out here sun bathing.  Care to join me?
>
> > > On Dec 8, 3:43 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, wonderful! Let's all agree that we all have our points somewhere and
> > > > that therefore no one owes nothing to anyone! If only we started loving
> > > > each other properly the big cuddle could begin! The virtual shadow would
> > > > disappear to where it originated! Molly, where are you?
>
> > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Those that say democracy has failed I am left wondering about their
> > > > > knowledge..  problems lay within corruption and that effects all forms
> > > of
> > > > > government  with out exception..  In the US since Reagan corruption has
> > > > > become rampant  you see politicians entering with less than a million
> > > in
> > > > > net worth and four years later walk away with the net worth into multi
> > > > > millions of dollars in net worth..  the only way this increase is
> > > possible
> > > > > is through acceptance of bribes..  but they will call it everything
> > > but a
> > > > > bribe.
>
> > > > > Banking is extremely corrupt simply because their major financing comes
> > > > > from the depositors whose money they handle  not the share holders..
> > >  yet
> > > > > they do not pay these hidden share holders any money for the use of
> > > their
> > > > > deposits..  They are expected to take all losses that the bank ..
>
> > > > > I think the Banking community needs to repay all of the bailout money
> > > > > they received before they can pay out even a single dollar or euro
> > > > > in bonuses  and these leaders need to be repaying these debt in reality
> > > > > they incurred with their personal property and wealth..  the world owes
> > > > > them nothing.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:22 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >> I'd say you are spot on rigsy.  I wish for something as Vam says but
> > > > >> fear those who con through false beauty (not Vam).  There are some new
> > > > >> approaches in behavioural economics and in logics of what works and
> > > > >> doesn't in practice (under headings of 'informal' and 'defeasible').
> > > > >> The problem is all in our current system know to speak in promises and
> > > > >> then pull them away as impossible because of 'realities' that are, in
> > > > >> fact, both fictional and corrupt.  Gabby is right too in the spin of
> > > > >> her words.  One invisible weave is easily replaced by another.
> > > > >> I watched a 'Storyville' documentary on BBC2 last night that fleshed
> > > > >> out rigsy's tone on the complicity of social science and economists
> > > > >> with the brutal looting power of politics.  It too was spot on.  My
> > > > >> understanding is that all we have had since 2008 is business-as-usual
> > > > >> in the 'dark pool' and shadow systems that dwarf the real economy
> > > > >> (zerohedge is probably best on this).  The Libertarians have been
> > > > >> writing books with titles like 'Democracy: the god that failed' for a
> > > > >> decade.
> > > > >> We need to start anew - yet to do this need to recognise how much of
> > > > >> the old is embedded in our assumptions. One problem in this is the
> > > > >> idea of trying to work without pre-suppositions - which, of course,
> > > > >> makes us prone to making the same mistakes again and discovering we
> > > > >> can't meet any pre-suppositional state and can keep re-inventing
> > > > >> square wheels.
>
> > > > >> My guess is we have to take out monster banking.  Dexia, the Franco-
> > > > >> Belgian-Lux outfit, employs so many in Belgium that its US equivalent
> > > > >> would employ 290,000 people.  I think we need to reflect on the
> > > > >> madness of such employment - the old adage used to take the form of
> > > > >> considering a country that got so up itself in map making that it
> > > > >> starved to death because no one did anything else.  Financial services
> > > > >> is essentially something that is a cost we should keep to a minimum -
> > > > >> yet it has become the controlling monster.
>
> > > > >> When we talk of hard work and reward I don't think we mean financial
> > > > >> services rip-offs - and in science we'd regard such 'energy' as waste
> > > > >> to be cut to a minimum.  The vast debts all over the world aren't
> > > > >> built by people who borrowed and drank themselves nearly to death
> > > > >> (which I've seen literally in Rwanda) - they are nearly all the result
> > > > >> of unnecessary virtual trades not to do with production.  And they
> > > > >> could be cancelled out.  The 'reason' for not doing this is that we'd
> > > > >> then see just how we have been ripped off and would have mass
> > > > >> unemployment amongst people who (wrongly) think they have in-demand-
> > > > >> high skills.  In a desert island situation no one is going to value me
> > > > >> for Gaussian manipulations, but my survival training might just build
> > > > >> us help build a shelter, fire and get food and water.  We have
> > > > >> forgotten something key along these lines.
>
> > > > >> On Dec 7, 12:07 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > Well...the maelstrom of ruin is a bit harsh. Shall we switch to man-
> > > > >> > eating plants? :-)
>
> > > > >> > On Dec 6, 8:04 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >  butt
>
> > > > >> > > Bring images of beauty in the dynamics... everything wud change,
> > > wud
> > > > >> > > be different !
>
> > > > >> > > On Dec 6, 5:24 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > >> > > > Is there really any new truth or wisdom regarding money, wealth
> > > or
> > > > >> > > > trade? I tend to think the subject is on par with the social
> > > > >> sciences
> > > > >> > > > and doesn't rank very high in my opinion- not that that is
> > > earth-
> > > > >> > > > shattering! :-) The trouble lies with fantasy attached to the
> > > > >> subjects
> > > > >> > > > and the gullibility of the public for schemes and shmucks
> > > running
> > > > >> > > > national policies where all are sucked into the maelstrom of
> > > ruin.
>
> > > > >> > > > On Dec 5, 4:44 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >> > > > > I rather like this title, so when I found a paper on it looked
> > > > >> forward
> > > > >> > > > > to an insightful read.  Yiu can find it here -
> > > > >>http://www.neweconomics.org/publications/the-practical-politics-of-we.
> > > ..
>
> > > > >> > > > > I was disappointed - I don;t disagree with the stuff, just
> > > found
> > > > >> it
> > > > >> > > > > dated and rather like Herzberg's motivational theory from the
> > > late
> > > > >> > > > > 1950's.  Has anyone found anything with a really practical
> > > bent in
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> > > > > --
> > > > >  (
> > > > >   )
> > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >  (
> >   )
> > |_D Allan
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