Like you said... i think Most of our 'needs' are socially created....
but then ... is it a part of our culture now... i have in mind the
tibetan monks.. what are their needs.. do you need the garb of a monk
to be this austere... if youre.. will the society not take you
seriously.... i guess the answer was somewhere above .. its our
problem only when we feel left out or on a loss.... IS there a
question of ethics?... no?.... i am not familiar with my scriptures...
As a society we do uphold wealth dont we.... Speaking of which take
into consideration the Climate talks... We meet as countries and
decide who will get to pollute a lil more than others.. or not...
Speaking of squirrels i watch em a lot too.. sometimes i sit with food
on me to get em near.. and they will eat Anything... but i wonder if
it ever goes to waste.. like genetic pre programming taking its
course. do you think we will find an overfed squirrell... one might if
they see pet squirrells... do animals overeat in their natural
setting...
On Dec 9, 1:46 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Like Monkebus I think greed as we define it is mainly due to language,
> and like Vam think there are genetic motives for the behavior
> (physiological/psychological). Like other animals we seek to secure
> our survival by responding to our perceived environment, not
> necessarily to the world at hand but the psychological response to
> environmental pressures.
>
> I've been watching the squirrels gathering various resources to fare
> our Michigan winter and pondering what it is like to feel the
> instinctual motive to respond to the change of seasons, for them I
> mean (qualia). Perhaps it starts with an urge, a compulsive behavior
> programmed into them that rewards them with peace or happiness to
> accomplish their preparations like collecting a store of fruits and
> nuts and to build their nest of leaves, grass and sticks in a tree.
> Perhaps it is more to assuage the anxiety of dissonance, perhaps they
> mostly exist in a panicky state as we would call it. A person who
> behaved as erratically as a squirrel would be institutionalized, the
> squirrel is in it's element near the woods, what natural ends I wonder
> that we might be seeking in our behaviors. I haven't read Kostler's
> Ghost in the Machine yet but I think this is what he referred to,
> these fundamental human imperatives that arise and remind us that you
> can take the ape out of the jungle but not visa-versa. It is obvious
> that the squirrel is doing what it needs to do to survive, and if it
> collects two times the needed nuts to do so it greatly improves it's
> survival short or overworking itself thus burning more energy and
> shortening it's life or to other chain effects.
>
> Our insecurities can be manipulated, or our needs left ignored our
> capacities allow our sense of want, insecurity, and anxieties to
> create unending feelings of desire. We can breed all year, we can
> think very very far ahead. It brings into question what environment
> would be most beneficial for us- nature is reckless but effective. If
> greed is a problem I think it isn't due to flawed human beings as much
> as the failure to take what we know of the world and ourselves and
> apply it our societies in a sensible manner. The cost of convenience
> is rising, we've been riding high on the waste hog for a very long
> time. It will probably get a bit worse, people are willing to cling to
> false security, we've invested too much in this hand to fold, we are
> narcissistic, arrogant and full of pride. The only thing left to do it
> actually find some solutions.
>
> A return to Eden, the noble savage and such isn't where I'm headed
> with this, that sounds a bit too nostalgic and I don't think would fit
> the long term cultural/technological/evolutionary requirements for
> survival. Sorry this turned out a little longwinded PSK, but I enjoy
> the exercise. :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:26 AM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey everyone... i have been very dull of late with little mind
> > activity... but.. today i was just going through Hind Swaraj.... and
> > well its not about the book.. in the review pages.. i read something
> > about Greed.. and it got me thinking.... only humans have greed
> > right... i find it very peculiar.. the most common vice one is taught
> > against from childhood...What is the nature of it... is there or can
> > there be a why?... when does wanting enough turn to greed.... the
> > dictionary defines it as wanting more than is necessary.... well..
> > that appplies to everything then!.. we always have and want more than
> > necessary or required... is being careful and cautious greedy(in
> > wanting enough and more)... is being ambitious greedy.... why is being
> > greedy wrong? ....very simplistic questions.. but i want to know what
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