are often driven by a high sense of morals. J.D. Rockefeller in
particular was scrupulously honest and tithed faithfully even before
he obtained success and could afford it. Without an avenue to create
wealth people will be less productive which means there will be less
largess for the needy and helpless. I wonder at the naivete I see
here. Will everyone truly be more happy when we are all distitute? I
think not.
dj
On Dec 6, 1:47 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Francis of Assisi once said that it is better to understand than be
> understood. there is a time to understand what the wise men of the past had
> to say and why they said it.
> The world has a lot of problems today and a great deal of double talk and
> little action or direction. Most and a lot of what is said is irrelevant
> and immaterial.
>
> The changes the world needs to escape from a market economy and back more
> to a traditional economy where local value come into much greater play,
> this is where the jobs are created,, On the other hand in the market
> economy everything is driven by the profit. The profit concept and the loss
> or creation of jobs is entirely irrevelent,, all that is of importance is
> making a profit no matter the effect on the population. As I examine the
> problem looking for what has changed what seems to pop out is the loss of
> morality. Oddly what I do not see is the extreme protestant view
> that morality was everything, Not that I think it was great or really
> approve of it,,, it what I now see is it shifting to preachers out
> screaming "Have you accepted jesus christ as your personal savior" leaving
> a total vacancy in the importance of morality.
>
> As I watch the news the focus is on the markets.. and the market people
> trying to control the world.. that gets into my opinion which is of little
> value..I do think though that a direction of increasing morality..
> Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Perhaps... especially for you...
> > the solution would be more effectively and compellingly projected on
> > images of beauty. All the science in the world cannot match its power
> > to move us.
>
> > Why ? Better, How ?
> > By filling us with feeling, void of thought, and making us come alive.
>
> > On Dec 6, 3:12 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Camels make horrendous noise too rigsy. The dried dung was once used
> > > to bake bread on. We can no doubt any grand narrative but don't seem
> > > much good at using this to create new ones. It's all deconstruction
> > > when we need to be ab;e to deconstruct and rebuild.
>
> > > On Dec 5, 11:36 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I read the "needle" was a tight gate in the walls around ancient
> > > > Jerusalem and traders loaded with booty and goods had difficulty
> > > > squeezing through. I did ride a camel in Egypt and they are smelly
> > > > beyond belief.
>
> > > > On Dec 5, 3:08 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > LOL oddly it is possible to get a camel through the eye of a
> > needle of a
> > > > > needle.. it is possible but you have to get a camel to walk on its
> > knees..
> > > > > but there is a price to pay for that..
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > You must have discovered how muh harder it gets to thread the eye
> > of a
> > > > > > needle as the simplicity of youth fades Allan!
>
> > > > > > On Dec 5, 4:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > II just received from a friend of mine and Tim always makes me
> > think..
> > > > > > It
> > > > > > > really suddenly dawned on me (I can be all wet) is the suppose
> > of
> > > > > > religion
> > > > > > > is not really for salvation and the nest life but in reality is
> > to teach
> > > > > > > morality.
>
> > > > > > > It seems that the churches to day give a quick brush over
> > morality and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > get to the work of salvation.. and the next life.. I am laughing
> > to my
> > > > > > self
> > > > > > > because if you lose morality you lose salvation. The greatest
> > problems
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > this day are the lose of morality and the teaching of
> > morality,, It
> > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > the teaching of morality is for the other guy but the rules of
> > morality
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > not apply to me.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Well sadly Ireland is good of a country giving away what is
> > not
> > > > > > theirs to
> > > > > > > > start off with..
> > > > > > > > and you are right most of the problems are moral ones.
> > > > > > > > religious leaders are as much fault as they no longer teach
> > morality
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > their fundamentalism,, but rather in christianity's case all
> > is for
> > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > if you accept jesus christ as your personal savior..
>
> > > > > > > > I see the Us has passed a new law giving the military
> > > > > > > > complete authority with out fear of the Justice system.. it
> > will be a
> > > > > > > > while but before long the USA will become a military
> > dictatorship..
> > > > > > A sad
> > > > > > > > moment in US history. I think this is a result of the Occupy
> > movement
> > > > > > > > putting fear into the Banksters ,, lead by the wealth of the
> > > > > > Republican
> > > > > > > > party and the 1% knowing the people are right and being afraid
> > that
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > have been caught and unwilling to give up power..
> > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:28 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=killing-one-.
> > > > > > ..
>
> > > > > > > >> I believe most of our "economic" problems are really moral
> > ones. The
> > > > > > > >> problem is most of what "morality" is is just so much turkey.
> > The
> > > > > > > >> problem expressed in the link above is whether to divert a
> > train that
> > > > > > > >> will kill 5 innocent people to another line where it will
> > kill only
> > > > > > > >> one innocent person. 90% of us divert the train in a
> > simulation.
>
> > > > > > > >> Moral problems as posed to me in real life have never been so
> > simple.
> > > > > > > >> I won't go into them here but can hint. In the UK's internal
> > war in
> > > > > > > >> Northern Ireland I was asked to do appalling things with
> > informants
> > > > > > > >> (and via pressuring wives and families) - the excuse was 'the
> > greater
> > > > > > > >> good'. I know now I was conned.
>
> > > > > > > >> What might a modern morality of the greater good be? What
> > are the
> > > > > > > >> problems with "morality" and how might we fix them. The
> > Saudis are
> > > > > > > >> putting forward interesting extremes such as allowing women
> > to drive
> > > > > > > >> cars 'bringing about' all sorts of corruption like
> > homosexuality and
> > > > > > > >> adultery. What of the role of madness, rationalisation and
> > the clown
> > > > > > > >> zealot in morality? And what role do facts play?
>
> > > > > > > >> The train example is easy - but what if the person on the
> > other line
> > > > > > > >> is your son or daughter? Would you shoot a child suicide
> > bomber
> > > > > > > >> advancing into a crowded area if you had time to run to her
> > and only
> > > > > > > >> put your life at risk? Do you really think your performance
> > in the
> > > > > > > >> field would match that in thought experiment?
>
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > (
> > > > > )
> > > > > |_D Allan
>
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> --
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> )
> |_D Allan
>
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