The rest of us have the in smaller measure. Stephen Pinker always
makes the point that more natural or primitive societies had/have more
murders and it's always gendered and broadly a young man's thing as
both perp and victim. Rigsy is right in that part of her curate's
egg!
On Dec 11, 3:51 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was thinking... in the case of random shooting spree.. i guess the
> intention is not so much to kill... because i think killing is very
> personal.. i suppose the Gun gives the possesor some illusion of control..
> that he/she thought they lacked in general life.. or are not allowed in
> general circumstances...
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> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Most of us don't find killing easy pol - 98% of us take a lot of
> > rather nasty training even to do it in war. I went through this.
> > lots written on the subject, not least on Vietnam veterans - it seems
> > the ones most traumatised are the ones who found they couldn't hack
> > the 'killing edge'. The bulldung of (over here) "Queen and country"
> > is totally out of anything I could believe in, but it's delivered in
> > highly brainwash situations. The disgusting purges by my countrymen
> > in Vam's country - often whole families were hung etc. as 'an example'
> > - show just what rotten behaviour is encouraged in patriotism.
> > The psycho finds it easier to kill because they experience little or
> > no shame or remorse and almost no ability to see consequences except
> > in rare cases. Very few of this type are much good at killing without
> > serious help from the weapon, which is why they tend to kill where
> > guns are available.
> > Foucault said we shouldn't listen to the experts and hear what the
> > killers say directly - but he was a prat. I don't want to hear the
> > sociopath's explanation and would rather put a bullet in hesheorit's
> > brain. Killing is easy enough - the problem is we are asked to do much
> > worse and are killing every day through immiseration and in wars we
> > allow because we are too timid to protest and take the streets. In
> > this sense, most of even this group are "killers".
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> > On Dec 9, 3:41 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am not sure if i have posted something of this kind before.. cos i
> > > have a feeling i did.. I was reading about the second shooting at the
> > > Virginia Tech campus.. Although its not a mass shooting.. Did appear
> > > pretty random.. But the point is not this particular shooting.. Its
> > > this whole 'Phenomena'.. if i may use the word for the lack of a
> > > better one.. Some crazy dude filling up on Ammo and killing .. just
> > > killing randomly.... I have always been intrigued by such cases.. now
> > > this guy is not a serial killer... He just pops, one day... The thing
> > > is... It could be anyone... anyone at all... i often try to apply the
> > > situation to me... And i have rather pessimistic views about it... It
> > > Cant be curbed or checked.. can it... Who will you counsel..
> > > Regulating arms is just one measure and i dont really support it...
> > > Its this apparent randomness to the whole thing..its not always
> > > depressive people who do it.. That Andrew Breivik.. i dont find him
> > > the stereotypical (the ones with whom these shootings are associated )
> > > gloomy, loner kind. Whatever the driving force maybe .. whatever the
> > > motive.. or the lack of one... Suppose i feel so disconnected from the
> > > world, from my actions ... and suppose i have a gun... and i go to any
> > > crowded place and Bang Bang.. thats it.. i might kill myself after
> > > that.. But the thing is.. what was to stop me... who couldve
> > > known..and How could you stop me.. But I suppose when i reason.. deep
> > > rooted morality perhaps... and then i come to the question of
> > > conscience(is conscience natural?).. Does conscience ever leave us?..
> > > are we not all the time aware of our actions.. and if they are of such
> > > seriousness.. i dont really get when people say i Shot the person in
> > > the heat of anger.. i was not thinking... is that possible? ... Well..
> > > along the same lines. if perhaps we consider soldiers... on the
> > > warfront.. why would they kill?.. to save themselves from the
> > > bullet... To avenge their buddies shot.. but really... would one kill
> > > for country?... or perhaps some do.... We can stretch this to
> > > terrorism but thats another episode all together.. i realise i have
> > > sort of ranted here.. but tell me what you think about it.. would you
> > > kill? ever.....
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