essentially when we are born we become zombies ,, now the question becomes as our life a Zombie for our spiritual enhancement or diminish our standing at the time of our rebirth into the spiritual world? (or death as this is commonly known.)
Allan
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:34 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
Much wise in what you say RP and indeed, Orn, many believe they have
no dreams at all. I note Polkid is beginning his serial killer trip.
I'm not very keen on these tricky questions we can't answer but can
use to expose naive and unexamined lives. I went on a long walk with
some old colleagues who moved into brain science some years back and
it was noticeable that they are all more convinced free will does not
exist than I. Humankind seems generally pathetic against the vastness
we seem to have some awareness of and nothing is given to us as to
what to do
I have little interest in pursuing the question of free will - in
normal dialogue of words, concepts, shapes and patterns I see no end
to it and many sides. Humankind does little in any of this as far as
we can guess and has no direction on what to seek to achieve we can
guess. We may know more in the future, but also may not be the
future. We accede to five senses, though 20 may be more accurate and
at least 2 more are known in dolphins than we possess. I can tell a
story of cooling hydrogen molecules and H3+ in the forming of stars
which were our birth that suggest some form of 'shaping knowledge'
even in the inorganic and the tale of the most, that that must be but
which we cannot see and yet I can only describe my own free will in
comparison with uninspiring robots. Some god might unplug us at any
time.
Much of the brain science going on finds that human beings do not make
rational decisions. I suspect they may have been wasting their
electrodes, as most of us are so poor at critical reasoning it
wouldn't make sense for us to use it. We may not be far off a robot
programmed with emotional responses that match or exceed our own. I
believe most people are tranced and cannot think their way out of a
wet paper bag. This is not unusual in pack and herd conditions.This
is a biological trance in my view.
For me there has to be more than the striving of science and I don't
want this to be a religious crock. If you think you have free will
because you can choose between varieties of toy and other ADMASS
drivel then pass on by - free will for me would concern beating
Einstein's speed of light and its constrictions - but even then I
would not know I was free rather than selecting from pre-programmed
alternatives or being switched.
The questions come after this 'indecision' as do those of what is
observing and its picture.
On Aug 2, 10:59 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i killed a dog.. my zombieness made me do it....
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> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:21 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "We have access to a technology that would have looked like sorcery in
> > Descartes's day: the ability to peer inside someone's head and read
> > their thoughts. Unfortunately, that doesn't take us any nearer to
> > knowing whether they are sentient. "Even if you measure brainwaves,
> > you can never know exactly what experience they represent," says
> > psychologist Bruce Hood at the University of Bristol, UK. If
> > anything, brain scanning has undermined Descartes's maxim. You, too,
> > might be a zombie. "I happen to be one myself," says Stanford
> > University philosopher Paul Skokowski. "And so, even if you don't
> > realise it, are you." Skokowski's assertion is based on the belief,
> > particularly common among neuroscientists who study brain scans, that
> > we do not have free will. There is no ghost in the machine; our
> > actions are driven by brain states that lie entirely beyond our
> > control. "I think, therefore I am" might be an illusion.
> > So, it may well be that you live in a computer simulation in which you
> > are the only self-aware creature. I could well be a zombie and so
> > could you. Have an interesting day." (from a recent New Scientist)
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> > We range over debates in free will and what it is to be human. So far
> > we haven't established free will or even that we are not merely
> > avatars in 'something else's game'.
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> > I wonder whether there are advantages in considering ourselves as
> > creatures limited by programming and also capable of it?
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> EverComing
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I_D Allan
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
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