Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: how does our sub-conscious works?

Toni - What you say makes good sense. I refer to the combination of various streams of information including

thoughts, feelings, sensations, intuitions as experiential logic as differentiated from conventional scientific linear 

logic. It is what depth psychologists call psychodynamics. 

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From: Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com>
To: "Minds Eye" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:07 am
Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: how does our sub-conscious works?

Yes indeed Tony, that makes clear and perfect sense to me.  On Jul 15, 12:36 pm, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote: > Hi Rigsy - > > I don't think we can expunge things from our memory, and I think > trying to do so may result in some discconnects that make feelings or > reactions "inexplicable". On the other hand, associations that are > subconsciously established in our memories may be sound and useful, or > may be unfortunate accidents resulting in either irrational fears or > irrational hopes. Those kind of associations can be turned around with > work, largely by applying our logical level of thinking to the > problem. Logic is there partly to check our emotions and confirm > whether what we feel makes sense or not. The level of our abstract > logical ability is really all that separates us from the other > animals, and I think it makes sense to cultivate it as much as > possible, without sacrificing our emotions and becoming Mr. Spock. > Emotions generally are based in some reality, and it's good to follow > your intuition, but that involves bringing our thoughts and feelings > into harmony with each other, so we're not fighting ourselves. > > Peace, > > Tony > > On Jul 15, 7:04 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thank you, Tony and Paradox. > > > Except we can clean up our hard drive! > > > Maybe I should have said "reactions" rather than moods- esp. since > > females have the rep of being moody creatures. I'm not sure if it is > > memory or the sc that is triggered by irrational associations. > > > On Jul 15, 3:22 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Not as familiar with the terrain regarding imagination and creativity, > > > rigsy; but some thoughts; imagination probably employs the same object > > > representation and manipulation routines as event "simulation", > > > certainly occupies the same higher order region; the process is just > > > less well tethered; an analogy that comes to mind is that of the rider > > > whose handling on the reins becomes more adept the more confident he/ > > > she becomes, and the more conditioned the horse gets over time. > > > > Creativity is more difficult to pin down; my intuitive sense is that > > > it's probably defined in the versatility of transition of isomorphic > > > brain "states"; so its not so much a "discrete" attribute, but more a > > > "bell curve" function. > > > > Difficult to say about unexplained moods; could be the result of > > > chemical or homeostatic imbalances, tensions, unresolved mental > > > phenomena, or any of a long list of things really; what do you think? > > > > On Jul 14, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Yes- that is too technical for me. :-) I see the sc as the hidden > > > > currents of a river- at least this morning that's my view. Where do > > > > you think imagination and creativity spring from? Or unexplainable > > > > moods? Or the irrational? Don't be too technical, please. > > > > > On Jul 14, 3:36 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting psychoanalytic approach; i'm sort of a little closer to > > > > > the "technical" school; seems to me that dreams and phantasies are > > > > > pretty much the same "stuff" as conscious thought, but without the > > > > > coherence, constraints, and "echolocation" of input, cognition,  and > > > > > the autobiographical self; in that sense, we think (neural mapping) > > > > > pretty much 24/7, conscious, subconscious, or otherwise; it's just so > > > > > much more elegant when we're conscious, or daydreaming, curiously :). > > > > > > Re the "great conductor"; in this great cauldron of distributed > > > > > mapping, something has to "direct" and prioritise attention; that's > > > > > the job of dispositional affect (value), or emotion, through amygdala, > > > > > hippocampus, and associated wide area networks. Antonio Damasio has > > > > > produced some very interesting, very readable and easily accessible > > > > > works in this area. > > > > > > On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The "great conductor" to where? The sc may color our thoughts and > > > > > > actions but I have a problem giving it a thought process similar to > > > > > > the ego or super-ego. The fact that we cannot control our sc makes  us > > > > > > want to control it- it can be dangerous or embarassing or  distracting, > > > > > > for instance. I do think it adds a dramatic complexity to our  thoughts > > > > > > and actions- esp. those "Freudian slips"! :-) Another possibilty is > > > > > > that the sc is a warehouse for our unresolved selves that pitch and > > > > > > twist in our minds during dreams or daydreams and sometimes  influence > > > > > > solutions by interrupting logic, problem solving, comprehension or > > > > > > relationships. It may also serve the purpose of keeping us honest- > > > > > > somehow the mind has to find a balance- "acting as if" only goes so > > > > > > far. > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:13 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Mando, dont forget that our thoughts are also "merely things",  and > > > > > > > our sub-conscious also "thinks"; "emotion" is the great conductor. > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:18 pm, Mando <richsu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > how are we easily swayed from our thought by merely things? is  that > > > > > > > > humans are focused or controlled by the sub-conscious...- Hide  quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -