yo.....
I'm not sure we disagree, except on whether we disagree or not. :)
We should value our selves and each of all the life around us as a
miracle of creation, inevitable as our collective and individual
creation may be.
A mosquito bite is a testament to god.
I am just saying that personal maturity as an animal (something with a
soul) consists of understanding that one is part of a bigger whole, a
very small part sometimes, and that that's okay. The watch crow
doesn't get first pickins but has a big duty, and they take turns, and
if the screw up, they get beat up. The older wolf backs up the
younglings they have taught, but a pack they make together, each
playing his best part in the hunt, and watching out for each other.
You wouldn't want your cells doing just whatever they want, no matter
how much they want to be a paramecium, because then you'd have cancer.
Your cells (hopefully) are more mature than a paramecium.
It's all about getting beyond trying to be the center of the universe,
and ultimately realizing there is no center.
It's about expanding your circle like a wave from a point to encompass
infinite space.
Now, when you talk about integrity and making death the marker in time
rather than infinity in time and/or space, then I think you are
talking about maturity on a very personal and experiential level, and
in that context, maturity indeed is recognized by honesty and
restraint. One cannot control their world, and that's a good thing to
realize. But, we are in as much control as we want to be of our own
actions, given knowledge, time, and practice. The hard part is trying
to understand what we *should* do in a given situation, occasionally.
Otherwise, the general rule is to be honest, even if it makes you feel
small, because after all, it's a big world.
Peaces of Love,,,
Tony
On Jul 16, 11:50 am, gwilliamsny11 <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
> Here is where you and I disagree. I think we under rate our individual and collective significance. However I do believe there are major differences with respect to such characteristics as degree of attained integrity. My scale of observation is not infinity but the finite marked by death. I trust and accept myself as my final authority realizing that any other authority apart from me is ultimately a projection of my own final authority.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com>
> To: "Minds Eye" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:19 am
> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: how does our sub-conscious works?
>
> I guess, on the subject of maturity, I kind of define it as developing
> a large enough picture of the world to realize that one is relatively
> insignificant, and accepting that. An infant is their whole world,
> dependent on its godlike parents to satisfy its needs. Then we develop
> understandings of family, community, culture, perhaps country and then
> world, perhaps including being part of all living things, etc. In an
> infinite universe, the finite being is next to nothing. That takes a
> little weight off my shoulders. Whew! ;)
>
> Smiles,
>
> Tony
>
> On Jul 16, 8:28 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Not so sure it's all that mysterious, folks; we intuitively recognise
> > maturity when we see it, i think? seems to me just a developing
> > intelligent "free wont", to reference a parallel thread.
>
> > On Jul 16, 12:50 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yes. It explains why some older men and women seem to change patterns
> > > of thinking and behavior.//Yes- I think maturity is a relative term.
>
> > > On Jul 15, 11:54 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Besides physical structure of brain and genetic issues, perhaps we
> > > > should at least mention hormones when it comes to apparent gender
> > > > differences. Flowing in the blood they are carried throughout the body
> > > > and can greatly influence behavior.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-brain_barrier
>
> > > > The subjective nature of the term 'mature' can lead us astray all too
> > > > easily.
>
> > > > On Jul 15, 3:32 pm, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi Paradox -
>
> > > > > I don't know which sex you think is more mature. I think each has
> > > > > their own strengths, and different types of intelligence, and there
> > > > > ARE structural brain differences. For instance, the corpus callosum,
> > > > > the largest connection between the two hemispheres, is larger in
> > > > > women, probably accounting for their more integrated thought
> > > > > processes. It's easy for a man to ignore all else and obsess about
> > > > > some question and its answer. It's hard for a woman to ignore reality
> > > > > and become so focused on some abstract question. Men may be more able
> > > > > to take decisive action, but if they don't pay attention to their
> > > > > female's input, they are likely to wander into a well like Socrates
> > > > > (or was that Aristotle?). Of course, these are gross generalizations,
> > > > > and there is probably more variation within each sex than between the
> > > > > two as a whole.
>
> > > > > I have kind of a male mind. Could you tell? ;)
>
> > > > > Peace,
>
> > > > > Tony
>
> > > > > On Jul 15, 2:41 pm, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I have quite some considerable experience of the emotional
> > > > > > responsiveness of the fairer sex, rigsy :) Personally, i think the
> > > > > > gender difference, if there is one, is more emotional maturity and
> > > > > > honesty than anything "structural.
>
> > > > > > On Jul 15, 12:04 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Thank you, Tony and Paradox.
>
> > > > > > > Except we can clean up our hard drive!
>
> > > > > > > Maybe I should have said "reactions" rather than moods- esp. since
> > > > > > > females have the rep of being moody creatures. I'm not sure if it is
> > > > > > > memory or the sc that is triggered by irrational associations.
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 15, 3:22 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Not as familiar with the terrain regarding imagination and
> creativity,
> > > > > > > > rigsy; but some thoughts; imagination probably employs the same
> object
> > > > > > > > representation and manipulation routines as event "simulation",
> > > > > > > > certainly occupies the same higher order region; the process is
> just
> > > > > > > > less well tethered; an analogy that comes to mind is that of the
> rider
> > > > > > > > whose handling on the reins becomes more adept the more confident
> he/
> > > > > > > > she becomes, and the more conditioned the horse gets over time.
>
> > > > > > > > Creativity is more difficult to pin down; my intuitive sense is
> that
> > > > > > > > it's probably defined in the versatility of transition of
> isomorphic
> > > > > > > > brain "states"; so its not so much a "discrete" attribute, but
> more a
> > > > > > > > "bell curve" function.
>
> > > > > > > > Difficult to say about unexplained moods; could be the result of
> > > > > > > > chemical or homeostatic imbalances, tensions, unresolved mental
> > > > > > > > phenomena, or any of a long list of things really; what do you
> think?
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Yes- that is too technical for me. :-) I see the sc as the
> hidden
> > > > > > > > > currents of a river- at least this morning that's my view. Where
> do
> > > > > > > > > you think imagination and creativity spring from? Or
> unexplainable
> > > > > > > > > moods? Or the irrational? Don't be too technical, please.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 3:36 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Interesting psychoanalytic approach; i'm sort of a little
> closer to
> > > > > > > > > > the "technical" school; seems to me that dreams and phantasies
> are
> > > > > > > > > > pretty much the same "stuff" as conscious thought, but without
> the
> > > > > > > > > > coherence, constraints, and "echolocation" of input,
> cognition, and
> > > > > > > > > > the autobiographical self; in that sense, we think (neural
> mapping)
> > > > > > > > > > pretty much 24/7, conscious, subconscious, or otherwise; it's
> just so
> > > > > > > > > > much more elegant when we're conscious, or daydreaming,
> curiously :).
>
> > > > > > > > > > Re the "great conductor"; in this great cauldron of
> distributed
> > > > > > > > > > mapping, something has to "direct" and prioritise attention;
> that's
> > > > > > > > > > the job of dispositional affect (value), or emotion, through
> amygdala,
> > > > > > > > > > hippocampus, and associated wide area networks. Antonio
> Damasio has
> > > > > > > > > > produced some very interesting, very readable and easily
> accessible
> > > > > > > > > > works in this area.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The "great conductor" to where? The sc may color our
> thoughts and
> > > > > > > > > > > actions but I have a problem giving it a thought process
> similar to
> > > > > > > > > > > the ego or super-ego. The fact that we cannot control our sc
> makes us
> > > > > > > > > > > want to control it- it can be dangerous or embarassing or
> distracting,
> > > > > > > > > > > for instance. I do think it adds a dramatic complexity to
> our thoughts
> > > > > > > > > > > and actions- esp. those "Freudian slips"! :-) Another
> possibilty is
> > > > > > > > > > > that the sc is a warehouse for our unresolved selves that
> pitch and
> > > > > > > > > > > twist in our minds during dreams or daydreams and sometimes
> influence
> > > > > > > > > > > solutions by interrupting logic, problem solving,
> comprehension or
> > > > > > > > > > > relationships. It may also serve the purpose of keeping us
> honest-
> > > > > > > > > > > somehow the mind has to find a balance- "acting as if" only
> goes so
> > > > > > > > > > > far.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:13 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mando, dont forget that our thoughts are also "merely
> things", and
> > > > > > > > > > > > our sub-conscious also "thinks"; "emotion" is the great
> conductor.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:18 pm, Mando <richsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > how are we easily swayed from our thought by merely
> things? is that
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