Don't you think people drink to dull consciousness- just so they won't
remember?
I think thoughts are filed away. So are experiences. They pop up on
their own sometimes- quite out of context. Yet some thoughts and
experiences demand examination and interpretation. Maturity and
empathy often can make sense of the senseless.
On Jul 19, 8:14 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What makes us male or female is more complicated than we're told at
> school. You need a bit of the Y chromosome to be male, and this has
> to be in the absence of 'double dax'. Some women are genetically XY.
> In birds, I seem to remember as one of those breaking up old codgers
> Rigsby refers to, the male stuff is carried on the X. Hormone levels
> at various times have a great deal to do with how we develop and our
> 'moods' - married men lose testosterone level as their partners have
> kids.
> I don't do Freud, except as a joke at the odd conference. I'm not
> sure what any sc could be as I'm not sure what consciousness is. IN
> some of the more violent or lovely experiences I've found
> consciousness more or less disappears for me and I don't seem to
> experience the event until what are obviously highly episodic memories
> that I have to study to understand what has happened. This leaves it
> tricky to explain what keeps me going through such incidents. What is
> consciousness at that point in drunkenness that will never come to
> memory? And what is observing thoughts and what is experience once
> thoughts are 'silent'? Whatever consciousness is, we don't seem to
> use it much as other than rationaliser so what is actually in
> control? I suspect there is much more information available to us in
> an occasion of experience than most are prepared to allow. Fictions
> like a structured unconscious may or may not help.
>
> On Jul 16, 2:49 pm, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Absolutely. After all, hormones are what makes us become a male of a
> > female to begin with, and when they are askew for some reason during
> > development, one can get XX males and XY females, some of which are
> > hermaphrodites. Also, of course, we know that testosterone and
> > steroids make people aggressive as well as affecting their bodies. So,
> > hormones play a big part in mental and physical development , and can
> > be influenced by outside forces.
>
> > Peace,
>
> > Tony
>
> > On Jul 16, 12:54 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Besides physical structure of brain and genetic issues, perhaps we
> > > should at least mention hormones when it comes to apparent gender
> > > differences. Flowing in the blood they are carried throughout the body
> > > and can greatly influence behavior.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-brain_barrier
>
> > > The subjective nature of the term 'mature' can lead us astray all too
> > > easily.
>
> > > On Jul 15, 3:32 pm, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi Paradox -
>
> > > > I don't know which sex you think is more mature. I think each has
> > > > their own strengths, and different types of intelligence, and there
> > > > ARE structural brain differences. For instance, the corpus callosum,
> > > > the largest connection between the two hemispheres, is larger in
> > > > women, probably accounting for their more integrated thought
> > > > processes. It's easy for a man to ignore all else and obsess about
> > > > some question and its answer. It's hard for a woman to ignore reality
> > > > and become so focused on some abstract question. Men may be more able
> > > > to take decisive action, but if they don't pay attention to their
> > > > female's input, they are likely to wander into a well like Socrates
> > > > (or was that Aristotle?). Of course, these are gross generalizations,
> > > > and there is probably more variation within each sex than between the
> > > > two as a whole.
>
> > > > I have kind of a male mind. Could you tell? ;)
>
> > > > Peace,
>
> > > > Tony
>
> > > > On Jul 15, 2:41 pm, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I have quite some considerable experience of the emotional
> > > > > responsiveness of the fairer sex, rigsy :) Personally, i think the
> > > > > gender difference, if there is one, is more emotional maturity and
> > > > > honesty than anything "structural.
>
> > > > > On Jul 15, 12:04 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Thank you, Tony and Paradox.
>
> > > > > > Except we can clean up our hard drive!
>
> > > > > > Maybe I should have said "reactions" rather than moods- esp. since
> > > > > > females have the rep of being moody creatures. I'm not sure if it is
> > > > > > memory or the sc that is triggered by irrational associations.
>
> > > > > > On Jul 15, 3:22 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Not as familiar with the terrain regarding imagination and creativity,
> > > > > > > rigsy; but some thoughts; imagination probably employs the same object
> > > > > > > representation and manipulation routines as event "simulation",
> > > > > > > certainly occupies the same higher order region; the process is just
> > > > > > > less well tethered; an analogy that comes to mind is that of the rider
> > > > > > > whose handling on the reins becomes more adept the more confident he/
> > > > > > > she becomes, and the more conditioned the horse gets over time.
>
> > > > > > > Creativity is more difficult to pin down; my intuitive sense is that
> > > > > > > it's probably defined in the versatility of transition of isomorphic
> > > > > > > brain "states"; so its not so much a "discrete" attribute, but more a
> > > > > > > "bell curve" function.
>
> > > > > > > Difficult to say about unexplained moods; could be the result of
> > > > > > > chemical or homeostatic imbalances, tensions, unresolved mental
> > > > > > > phenomena, or any of a long list of things really; what do you think?
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 14, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Yes- that is too technical for me. :-) I see the sc as the hidden
> > > > > > > > currents of a river- at least this morning that's my view. Where do
> > > > > > > > you think imagination and creativity spring from? Or unexplainable
> > > > > > > > moods? Or the irrational? Don't be too technical, please.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 3:36 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Interesting psychoanalytic approach; i'm sort of a little closer to
> > > > > > > > > the "technical" school; seems to me that dreams and phantasies are
> > > > > > > > > pretty much the same "stuff" as conscious thought, but without the
> > > > > > > > > coherence, constraints, and "echolocation" of input, cognition, and
> > > > > > > > > the autobiographical self; in that sense, we think (neural mapping)
> > > > > > > > > pretty much 24/7, conscious, subconscious, or otherwise; it's just so
> > > > > > > > > much more elegant when we're conscious, or daydreaming, curiously :).
>
> > > > > > > > > Re the "great conductor"; in this great cauldron of distributed
> > > > > > > > > mapping, something has to "direct" and prioritise attention; that's
> > > > > > > > > the job of dispositional affect (value), or emotion, through amygdala,
> > > > > > > > > hippocampus, and associated wide area networks. Antonio Damasio has
> > > > > > > > > produced some very interesting, very readable and easily accessible
> > > > > > > > > works in this area.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > The "great conductor" to where? The sc may color our thoughts and
> > > > > > > > > > actions but I have a problem giving it a thought process similar to
> > > > > > > > > > the ego or super-ego. The fact that we cannot control our sc makes us
> > > > > > > > > > want to control it- it can be dangerous or embarassing or distracting,
> > > > > > > > > > for instance. I do think it adds a dramatic complexity to our thoughts
> > > > > > > > > > and actions- esp. those "Freudian slips"! :-) Another possibilty is
> > > > > > > > > > that the sc is a warehouse for our unresolved selves that pitch and
> > > > > > > > > > twist in our minds during dreams or daydreams and sometimes influence
> > > > > > > > > > solutions by interrupting logic, problem solving, comprehension or
> > > > > > > > > > relationships. It may also serve the purpose of keeping us honest-
> > > > > > > > > > somehow the mind has to find a balance- "acting as if" only goes so
> > > > > > > > > > far.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:13 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mando, dont forget that our thoughts are also "merely things", and
> > > > > > > > > > > our sub-conscious also "thinks"; "emotion" is the great conductor.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:18 pm, Mando <richsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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