I am multi faceted and multi dimensional, body, mind and spirit (in
One). My experience is full of it all. But I do not dwell on
psychological complexities and am not a junkie. My relationship to
myself, my experience, and others (all one) is dynamic, and what
occurs in my life in the moment is an expression of who I AM. When my
mind is clear, it is filled with my eternal presence (for lack of a
better word) and not my ego, thoughts and emotions - although when
those arise to mind, they are recognized as an expression of life.
On Jul 14, 8:25 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> When your mind is clear of thought , feeling , sensation , etc. and
> there is just an experience of being and nothing else, what makes you
> think that it is God-state ? If that is God-state why are you still a
> miserable being when you come out of it ? Why are junkies still
> junkies ? If I am not mistaken some junkies have this experience of
> supreme bliss.
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> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am suggesting that unless you clear the mind of thought, feeling,
> > sensation, belief, image - and allow it to be filled only with the
> > eternal presence that is you - your experience and mind will preoccupy
> > itself with the limits of mind and nothing more. There is more to
> > life. There is more to me. All ways more.
>
> > On Jul 14, 7:42 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hey Molly,
>
> >> Yes indeed there are many parts of the human dedicated to keeping it
> >> alive.
>
> >> The mind is a function of the brain though isn't it, rather like
> >> running is a function of the legs and the heart and the lungs?
>
> >> So without the legs, heart and lungs, there will be no running. Like
> >> without the brain there would be no mind.
>
> >> It is not hard to see that we use our intelect to study; intelect a
> >> funtion of the mind, which in turn is a function of the brain, so as I
> >> say I see no problems in seeing that the mind is used to study the
> >> mind, yes even our own minds.
>
> >> I don't agree that there exists an awareness beyond mind, I have
> >> throughout my short span of life experianced all sorts of weird and
> >> wonderfull things, yet still I say that all awareness takes place in
> >> the mind. When I have had periods of expansion of the mind, it is
> >> still all taking place in my brain.
>
> >> Think of it this way,I am dyslexic and this is because something about
> >> my brain causes certain senseory inputs to be inturpreted in a way
> >> that differs from the non dyslexic. This is most evidant in my
> >> spelling and if you read through enough of my posts you'll notice
> >> things like the way I often write 'Form' instead of 'From'
>
> >> Would you suggest that my dyslexcia stems form a place independant of
> >> my brain?
>
> >> Nope I don't think it would be correct to suggest such a thing. Yet
> >> dyslexcia is a huge part of who I am, it has shapped my mind since my
> >> birth, it forces me to approach things in ways that the non dyslexic
> >> would not consider, I need to think about things in certian ways to
> >> ensure that my dyslexcia does not hinder my day to day life.
>
> >> What I'm saying here is that my dsylexic experiances which we could
> >> say take place in my mind, are a function of my brain. If these
> >> experiances take place in my brain, so have all of my experiances,
> >> includeing all of the trances, and dream states, all of the
> >> meditations, all of the high magiks and ceremonies, all of this has
> >> taken place in my brain, the home of my mind. I have not encountered
> >> one iota of evidance nor experiance to suggest other wise.
>
> >> Perhaps though the most telling is in the use of LSD, or any other
> >> pschyotropic substance. When 'tripping' all sorts of things can
> >> happen, you can just enjoy the buzz for what it is, you can use it to
> >> 'open the doors of perception', but all who have partaken more than a
> >> few times know that to stave off a 'bad trip' it is useful to remind
> >> yourself that it is just the drug, and when the chemical reactions of
> >> the drug in your brain whare off, then all goes back to normal.
>
> >> It is possible to use LSD to expand the mind? Yes of course it is,
> >> and chemicaly speaking the same result from a differant
> >> meathod(meditiaon for example) cause the same chemical changes in the
> >> brain.
>
> >> Almost finished now honset, so to reiterate in the shortest possibel
> >> way.
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> >> The mind is seated in the brain, there is no other place that the mind
> >> exists.
>
> >> On Jul 14, 11:20 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I do not follow you Lee. The same (that you say of the brain) could
> >> > be said of the heart, circulatory system, respiratory system, liver,
> >> > kidneys etc. If they are not working, the life of the body ends,
> >> > unless extended mechanically. We don't know if it continues in
> >> > another form - or I could say, our knowing is not contained in the
> >> > mind.
>
> >> > While the brain is not the same as the mind, there is an awareness
> >> > beyond mind. If you have not experienced it, you may think me out of
> >> > my mind. If you have never had a completely quiet mind, you may not
> >> > have had the opportunity to go beyond it. (and I mean you in the
> >> > general sense of everyone, not you in particular, Lee) My mind is
> >> > located in me, with my thoughts, feelings and sensations - and is non
> >> > local, and that is the infinite aspect.
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> >> > On Jul 13, 9:01 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > Molly says:
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> >> > > 'it is the mind that is aware - if you are witnessing, or "aware" of
> >> > > the contents of you mind, what part of you is that? There is more
> >> > > than the mind in each and every one of us'
>
> >> > > That is also the mind Molly. The seat of self is in the brain, no
> >> > > working brain no self. When you look in the mirror you see your own
> >> > > reflection so it is of course possible to use your eyes to study your
> >> > > own eyes, why not then use the mind to study the mind? I see no
> >> > > problems with this at all, indeed what other organ would you use to
> >> > > study the mind, or for that matter the study of anything?
>
> >> > > On Jul 13, 6:20 am, "Tony Orlow" <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Dear RP -
>
> >> > > > Do you disagree with partaking of the herb which led us to the discovery
> >> > > > of 0, and of oo, and of god and science? With the seeds being perfect
> >> > > > food, and the resins being the lost vitamin, being so under fire this
> >> > > > last century of war, and being the greatest source of fiber for all
> >> > > > uses, and being one of the strongest and most beautiful of plants, can
> >> > > > it be bad? If I have partaken as long as I can remember, and merit this
> >> > > > personal response from RP Singh, can it have done me too much harm? I do
> >> > > > now the job of a 20-something, at almost 50, and do it like five of
> >> > > > them. I can't be doing anything too...oo wrong, right? That is how I
> >> > > > figure it.
>
> >> > > > Much Peace,
>
> >> > > > Tony
>
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: minds-eye@googlegroups.com [mailto:minds-eye@googlegroups.com] On
>
> >> > > > Behalf Of RP Singh
> >> > > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:12 PM
> >> > > > To: "Minds Eye"
> >> > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Enlightenment
>
> >> > > > The state of enlightenment , or self-realization , is simply a state
> >> > > > of awareness like the dream -state or deep-sleep , and can be attained
> >> > > > through concentration or substance - use. It is the mind which is
> >> > > > aware and as the mind is finite , whatever it is aware of is also
> >> > > > finite. The very fact that the so-called transcendental state can be
> >> > > > experienced through use of entheogens casts a doubt about its
> >> > > > spiritual nature. A person experiences such a state and when he comes
> >> > > > out of it is just his ordinary self. God-state cannot be experienced
> >> > > > by any being as it is beyond experience and can only be understood. We
> >> > > > find it difficult to accept that we are mortal and hence believe in
> >> > > > re-incarnation etc. The fact is that the " I " has nowhere to go on
> >> > > > the death of the organism , it is simply an attribute of life and is
> >> > > > no more on the death of the body , and is thus just an " illusion " .
> >> > > > This is , of course , my reading of the matter and can be erroneous as
> >> > > > my reason is not infallible and is subject to my limitations.- Hide quoted text -
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