Saturday, June 4, 2011

[Mind's Eye] Re: New planet discoveries might change our views

Actually, the greatest teacher is still our own experiences unless
life is vicarious. Education can expand our options. It takes some
time to shake off family or tribal/clan behaviors. Ethics responds to
real time/historical eras- what is a good life?- how ought we behave?-
so that branch of philosophy remains active. I don't think that what a
society accepts as norms should be so readily accepted as a guide but
should be examined and tested.

On Jun 3, 11:05 am, Chuck Bowling <aardvarkstudio.chu...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> If by education you mean learning from the experiences of others then by
> definition that would be a social behavior.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:56 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I disagree- our behavior options have changed- radically. We change
> > more from education than our enviornment as long as learning is a life-
> > long affair.
>
> > On Jun 1, 10:09 pm, Chuck Bowling <aardvarkstudio.chu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I think that if you're going to talk about human behavior you should
> > > differentiate between social and individual behavior. I don't think that
> > the
> > > behavior of humans as individuals has changed much since we climbed out
> > of
> > > the trees. As social animals I think we are constantly evolving and
> > adapting
> > > to our environments.
>
> > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:33 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Maybe we should reduce the time frame to 3 or 4 thousand years.
>
> > > > I dragged you into my midnight thoughts and remembered a film-
> > > > Japanese- "Roshoman" which I saw later than its release time of 1950
> > > > which got into this "what is reality" business and made somewhat of an
> > > > impact on my thinking along with "point of view". I suppose this might
> > > > lead off into empathy but it still would not solve the definition of
> > > > "What Is Reality?".
>
> > > > Will post another topic that is related to "human nature"- "human
> > > > rights".
>
> > > > On May 31, 6:00 pm, Chuck Bowling <aardvarkstudio.chu...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > To be honest, I'm not even sure what 'human nature' means.
>
> > > > > As to reality, I think that we all struggle to try and understand it.
> > > > > Scientists want to define it with logic and theologians want to
> > define it
> > > > > with religious belief.
>
> > > > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:03 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Do you think human nature will change- ever? Then it really doesn't
> > > > > > matter about reality.
>
> > > > > > On May 29, 7:36 pm, Chuck Bowling <aardvarkstudio.chu...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Nanotech is just the implementation of another layer of our
> > > > understanding
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the universe. I think we still have a long ways to go before we
> > > > actually
> > > > > > > have a firm grasp on the true nature of reality.
>
> > > > > > > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Menfranco Laws <
> > menfra...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi everybody!
> > > > > > > > Well said Ash, where is Pat indeed when we need him to say
> > God's
> > > > > > > > things, because for me when you are talking about nanotech
> > makes me
> > > > > > > > thing about God and ask myself this question; Is this nanotech
> > the
> > > > > > > > link between us and God? Perhaps once we have learned enough
> > about
> > > > > > > > this nanotech we be able to understand how God works? Who
> > knows? it
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > just a thought.
>
> > > > > > > > On May 24, 9:48 am, Ash <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Where's Pat when we need him?
>
> > > > > > > > > On 5/23/2011 8:08 AM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm fairly certian this site is not umm being honest.  As
> > far
> > > > as I
> > > > > > > > > > know we simply have not yet managed to do this.
>
> > > > > > > > > > One of the biggest problems in quantum compting is that old
> > > > quantum
> > > > > > > > > > chestnut of simply by looking we influence the result.
>
> > > > > > > > > > With Quantum bit (Qbit) computing, the idea is to make use
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > verious quantum states of a moclucule, so that a Qbit can
> > hold
> > > > > > > > > > possibly 4 (all to do with spin) pieces of data at the same
> > > > time.
> > > > > >  The
> > > > > > > > > > problem comes in retriving this data and ensuring that by
> > > > 'reading'
> > > > > > > > > > the data it remains unchanged.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 20, 10:17 pm, gabbydott<gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for providing me with the right key words. And this
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > stuff I
> > > > > > > > > >> meant:http://www.dwavesys.com/en/products-services.html
>
> > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Chuck Bowling<
>
> > > > > > > > > >> aardvarkstudio.chu...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> Nanotechnology is used in a lot of places but it's still
> > far
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > reaching
> > > > > > > > > >>> its full potential. Right now most nanotech is just new
> > > > > > applications
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >>> materials science. Potentially nanotech could be used to
> > > > create
> > > > > > > > robots
> > > > > > > > > >>> smaller than a single human cell or for that matter to
> > create
> > > > new
> > > > > > > > life.
> > > > > > > > > >>> As to quantum physics, it provides insight into
> > > > microelectronics.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >>> hope is that one day we will be able to create computers
> > > > based on
> > > > > > > > quantum
> > > > > > > > > >>> spin. That still hasn't happened yet.
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:58 AM, gabbydott<
> > > > gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>> What? I thought nanotech was already in use in the
> > cosmetics
> > > > > > > > industry and
> > > > > > > > > >>>> quantatech (is that how you call it?) in the computer
> > > > industry.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Chuck Bowling<
> > > > > > > > > >>>> aardvarkstudio.chu...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm in agreement about the radical changes that
> > nanotech
> > > > appear
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> promise. Changes that could spell doom or a complete
> > > > > > redefinition
> > > > > > > > of what it
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> is to be human. It's about the only thing that makes me
> > > > want to
> > > > > > > > live longer
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> than my allotted time. Just so that I can see what
> > miracles
> > > > > > come
> > > > > > > > next.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Ash<
> > ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>   Yeah, I was fear mongering Chuck, a political
> > device.
> > > > ;-)
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> favorite topic of mine, it is at the axis of many
> > fields.
> > > > To
> > > > > > > > accelerate
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> nanotech development I think we should implement rapid
> > > > > > > > prototyping,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> experimentation and analysis systems. When I envision
> > man
> > > > at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of this revolution I look for tools that would allow
> > an
> > > > > > explosion
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (figuratively) of development, being able to catalog
> > and
> > > > > > operate a
> > > > > > > > multitude
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of experiments in parallel, while building a massive
> > > > library
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > modeled
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> behavior for materials and systems interoperating in
> > the
> > > > real
> > > > > > > > world to
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> improve the robustness and diversity of this
> > technology is
> > > > > > > > apparently the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> way to go. To think that the behavior of biological
> > > > systems
> > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> abstracted and used to formulate dynamic systems
> > guided by
> > > > > > expert
> > > > > > > > algorithms
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to solve material challenges in real time guided by
> > people
> > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > vast
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> distances, it goes beyond genetics, I am in awe at the
> > > > > > potential
> > > > > > > > universe we
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> are venturing toward. We will also be able to make
> > changes
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > ourselves and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> our experience of this world at a similar rate..
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 5/19/2011 1:41 AM, Chuck Bowling wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I think that with nanotechnology we will be able to
> > > > synthesize
> > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> much anything we want from raw materials in the
> > future.
> > > > > > Assuming
> > > > > > > > that any
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> alien race capable of traveling the trillions of miles
> > to
> > > > get
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> have at least the same level of technology my guess is
> > > > that
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> need anything we'd have to offer.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Ash<
> > ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>   There is another good reason to develop our
> > > > technologies as
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > species,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> think how we are looking at the planets and celestial
> > > > bodies
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > vast
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> resources. Imagine if something else came through and
> > > > strip
> > > > > > mined
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> resources we would need to develop into a spacefaring
> > > > > > species,
> > > > > > > > that would
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> suck big time. Like a tribe of humans moving through
> > and
> > > > > > picking
> > > > > > > > all the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> nuts we squirrels need, or worse, deciding we were in
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> resources, think what we have done in those
> > situations..
> > > > I
> > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> unlikely considering the vast resources out there,
> > but
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > might have
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> it's eye on our pale blue dot too, working faster
> > than us
> > > > at
> > > > > > > > making the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> leap.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On 5/18/2011 8:37 PM, Chuck Bowling wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I think right now the technology will only allow us
> > to
> > > > tell
> > > > > > if a
> > > > > > > > planet
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> is rocky or a gas giant. And even then only if it is
> > a
> > > > > > relatively
> > > > > > > > massive
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> planet. The last time I read
>
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