[Mind's Eye] Re: The " I " factor

Ahhh as you say the vageries of language.

On Jun 6, 1:32 pm, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 12:37 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> wrote:
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> > Strangely Pat that is not what you have said a few posts above this.
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> Perhaps not exactly, but it IS what I intended.  Sorry for using that
> horrible word 'choice' in a laissez faire manner.  ;-)
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> > On Jun 6, 10:44 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 1, 12:59 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > Hey RP,
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> > > > This is the closest I think you and I have ever gotten to agreement on
> > > > this issue.
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> > > > God has made you a partner in his will and it is your God Granted
> > > > choice to accept this partnership or not.  Another word for this is
> > > > 'Freewill'.
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> > > LOL!!  Do you REALLY think that an omniscient and completely wise God
> > > would leave any man to make a decision in His universe based on a
> > > profound ignorance of the whole?  I wouldn't trust any human to make
> > > any decision on which the rest of the universe depends...and THAT is
> > > exactly the situation we are in: the entire future of the universe
> > > (spatio-temporal cones and all that!!) rests in our hands at every
> > > 'supposed' decision point.  Surely, it would be immensely unwise to
> > > allow a human baby, for example, to make a decision however basic it
> > > might be.  Even after 70 years, the human is still a baby in
> > > comparison to God and God's understanding of the universe.  Besides, a
> > > space-time continuum precludes free will. When my book comes out,
> > > physicists will be forced to concede this point (Einstein and
> > > Minkowski did over 100 years ago!) and, with any luck, you'll take
> > > THEIR word for it.
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> > > > On May 31, 6:31 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > The Will of God is not visible and one's nature is not a single
> > > > > entity--good or bad , rather one's nature contains both good and bad ,
> > > > > the super-ego and the id. It is in one's hand to follow the good
> > > > > prompting of his nature or the evil in him. It is your choice , do
> > > > > good in the interest of longterm benefit or the bad for short-term
> > > > > gains.As to the Will of God , He has made you a partner in His Will ,
> > > > > you have to choose, act with reason or follow your impulses like a
> > > > > madman.
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> > > > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > On May 31, 5:24 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> Whatever a man does he is bound to do as the Will of God is supreme,
> > > > > >> but a person is not a robot. The " I " is an active agent and it is
> > > > > >> the individual who taking control over his nature does good in this
> > > > > >> world and on letting himself go does the bad. Strength of resolve is
> > > > > >> inherent in every person , some use it a lot, others let their
> > > > > >> impulses rule most of the time. It is in man's hand to keep his nature
> > > > > >> under control , and again in his hand to let it run amok.
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> > > > > > I agree with one exception.  Actually, it's more of an inclusion.  An
> > > > > > individual must discover their nature before taking control of it.
> > > > > > Then the rest follows...good or bad.  For example, I fully believe
> > > > > > that Charles Manson DID discover his true nature and STILL inflicted
> > > > > > great injuries against humanity.  The same for Hitler.  Sometimes,
> > > > > > knowing one's nature does not prevent one from doing evil but leads
> > > > > > them to do it.  In other words, if it is God's will that X be done and
> > > > > > X is perceived by most people to be evil, X will still be done, as it
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