> Pat , I put in the incorrect words , my question is --- How and why
> are you so sure that Charles Manson and Hitler had discovered their
> true nature ? And if there is a true nature will you explain what it
> is , and again what is false nature.
>
Again, Hitler is more difficult. We know that Manson was (and still
is), very much, into philosophy and self-realisation. I think, if you
read 'Helter Skelter', the story of the Manson muders form the point
of view of the prosecuting attorney, Vincent Bugliosi, you'd be more
likely to accept that Manson had, indeed, investigated his true
nature.
As to what a true nature is, in a sense, that's easy. If you act and
feel no guilt, you are acting in accordance with your true nature.
Some may say that the above statement justifies crimes. It only does
so by admitting that God's will is maintained irrespective of the
act. We MUST remember that good and evil are perceptions based on a
limited context and a profound lack of omniscience. God does not
suffer from these losses and performs acts that we, in our limited
minds, view as 'evil'. The improper view, though, is ours. God knows
what God is doing and God can be completely trusted. If there exists
any seeming unfairness, then that unfairness will be overturned in our
afterlife. God is perfectly Just, but we have little idea of what
'perfect justice' looks like. On thing, though, is for sure, an
omnipotent and omniscient deity MUST be just and merciful. Revelation
(if we wish to use it as evidence. Note: it is NOT scientific
evidence; but it could still be viewed as evidence) has informed us
that God's mercy precedes God's wrath, so, even in the worst cases,
not all hope is lost as Dante may have us believe.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 6, 12:50 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Pat , what makes you so sure that Charles Manson and Hitler were
> >> following their true nature , if there is such a thing.
>
> > Because only God's will is ever employed in this universe. The
> > universe--our little space-time continuum--contains all of space and
> > time, thus, all the past, any given present and all the future. Wit
> > hthe future already extant in the whole, there is no room for 'free
> > will' in the sense that mankind has viewed it prior to Special
> > Relativity. Remember, Einstein went searching for truth and
> > discovered that it was relative. The absolute truth can only ever be
> > approached ontologically, for if we do not know, truly, that which
> > exists, we cannot fairly infer ANY 'truth' from the appearances we
> > see, as our eyes and minds can be fooled so easily.
>
> >> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On May 31, 5:24 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Whatever a man does he is bound to do as the Will of God is supreme,
> >> >> but a person is not a robot. The " I " is an active agent and it is
> >> >> the individual who taking control over his nature does good in this
> >> >> world and on letting himself go does the bad. Strength of resolve is
> >> >> inherent in every person , some use it a lot, others let their
> >> >> impulses rule most of the time. It is in man's hand to keep his nature
> >> >> under control , and again in his hand to let it run amok.
>
> >> > I agree with one exception. Actually, it's more of an inclusion. An
> >> > individual must discover their nature before taking control of it.
> >> > Then the rest follows...good or bad. For example, I fully believe
> >> > that Charles Manson DID discover his true nature and STILL inflicted
> >> > great injuries against humanity. The same for Hitler. Sometimes,
> >> > knowing one's nature does not prevent one from doing evil but leads
> >> > them to do it. In other words, if it is God's will that X be done and
> >> > X is perceived by most people to be evil, X will still be done, as it
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