[Mind's Eye] Re: Should Atheism be promoted

Nobody needs to belive what I do, and also I do not need to believe
what others do. Indeed I ask nobody to belive what I do, merely to
consider what I say and accept or reject as they will.

We can all get along despite our belifes. Take Mr Ornamental Mind for
instance, you can see that although we disagree from time to time we
are in fact good pals.

On Apr 7, 4:41 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> no , theres a fine line between promoteing your belifes and
> fashisem      why do others need to believe what u belive?
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> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > Pat that is quite a nice little bit of logical deduction there.  As
> > always I have one eye on Waterstones, let me know when the book is
> > out.
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> > On Apr 7, 12:57 pm, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 7, 12:23 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > I have seen this kind or rhetoric before and although I must agree
> > > > there is some validity in this argument, the same can be said of of
> > > > any human endevour that is divisive.
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> > > > An example.
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> > > > I am not a patriot, I see no sense in feeling pride in the accident of
> > > > the location of ones birth, of course if a patriotic person was also
> > > > to feel the shame for the shamefull acts that their country has also
> > > > done, then that at least is consistant.
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> > > > Religion has brought gretness and great shame to it's adherance, so
> > > > has patriotiism, football fandom, we have witnessed both the joy that
> > > > music brings and the violence done in i's name by fans of differant
> > > > genres.
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> > > > Should we promot atheism?  Yes why not, let people have a free,
> > > > informed choice, over all aspects of their lives,  Should we give give
> > > > atheist fundementalist any stage time?  yes of course all the while we
> > > > do the same for religious fundementalists or political fundementalist
> > > > it would be unfair not to.  Shold we really listen to any who espouse
> > > > a fundie POV, well that is up to each of us on an individual basis but
> > > > me, naaaa, why would I?
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> > > Yeah, the real problem is 'fundamentalism' irrespective of the faith--
> > > whether in God or opposed to.  Personally, I'd love to take on Dawkins
> > > in a debate.  There are a few areas where he's so off-base logically
> > > it's almost funny.
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> > > BTW, I've finally figured out a way to PROVE that the speed of light
> > > cxannot be a constant.  I'll save the 'guts' of my argument for the
> > > book (which, BTW, is at around 40,000 words, now and might be finished
> > > by June!!!) but think about this: if space expands and the distance
> > > between A and B gets larger, how can C be a constant?  If it appears
> > > to be a constant, then it MUST accelerate in order to make up the
> > > difference in the extra distance created by the expansion of space due
> > > to Hiubble's Law!!
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> > > > In the interest of openess I must declare to being a theist myself.
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> > > > On Apr 7, 12:09 pm, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Apr 7, 11:18 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > I do not believe that a supreme being created the universe etc.
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> > > > > > Until today, I have accepted the existence of religions on the
> > > > > > grounds
> > > > > > that they give hope and faith to many in the face of adversity and
> > > > > > promote certain moral values.
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> > > > > > This week A C Grayling brought out his book "The Good Book - A
> > > > > > secular
> > > > > > bible". In interview he stated that theism is harmful to individuals
> > > > > > and society. Although his thoughts on this were nor expanded.
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> > > > > > I live in Fiji and cannot get a copy of his book but I would like to
> > > > > > hear his argument on this matter. Ie Why he thinks that theism is
> > > > > > harmful.
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> > > > > > I have found nothing of depth on the web.
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> > > > > > If he is indeed correct then there is an argument for the active
> > > > > > promotion of atheism. Perhaps we can become missionaries in the human
> > > > > > cause.
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> > > > > > What say you?
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> > > > > Atheism comes in more than one variety.  Which sect would you want
> > > > > promoted?  The kind where the individual has 'no belief about God' or
> > > > > the kind where the individual accepts a religious definition of God
> > > > > and actively disbelieves it?  There are atheistic evangelists like
> > > > > Richard Dawkins already.  But his arguments have huge holes in them.
> > > > > The key point to note is that there is no 'conclusive' proof 'for or
> > > > > against' the existence of God, so, any belief based on a profound lack
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