> Okay Pat no I believe God has no desire to separate anyone form himself.
> what I believe is we separate ourselves form him,, it is out choice and
> being the loving being he is not going to force us into anything we don't
> want.
>
Are you so sure about that? Better re-read that bit in Gethsemene. I
think there was a time when Jesus would have preferred NOT to be
forced to follow God's will, yet, when he realised there WAS no
choice, he said, "Not my will but Thine be done."
> An example might be (Here come a poorly stated example I am not sure how to
> say) say a persons god is money and the stock market, they are used to
> commanding people around spending money on luxuries ,, diamonds, fast cars,
> huge houses and excessed.. ignoring those around them whom they are using to
> meet their desires leaving them in poverty, a world of an the opera singer
> of wealth... singing " Me, me, me meeeee'
> What happens when they are separated from their worldly god which they have
> learned to worship... Remember they are the judge,,, not me or you. Are
> they separated from God, still living in the human spiritual world they
> understand.
> Is this a living Hell?
Well, it is for those who 'wish to believe' that. Otherwise, it's
just life. It boils down to logic--> you cannot be separated from an
omnipresent being.
> Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 28, 5:35 pm, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Pat who is saying he is absent? Not me..
> > > Allan
>
> > Agreed. You weren't but you were asked "How, then, could one be
> > seperated from God?". I replied to that question directed at you by
> > stating that an omnipresent entity CAN'T be separated from anything.
> > It backs you up!!!
>
> > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 18, 6:48 pm, DarkwaterBlight <douglas.bli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > "LOL!! If I'm correct and "God is One" and we are all extensions of
> > > > > that One, then God suffers in every tradgedy, too. This is why I
> > > > > sometimes refer to God as "a glutton for experience", as God, being
> > > > > all, experiences all aspects of every act. In a murder, for example,
> > > > > God is both murderer and victim. God gets to experience all aspects
> > > > > simply because, in reality, there is no 'other'."- Pat
>
> > > > > Allan,
> > > > > How, then, could one be seperated from God?
>
> > > > > "God is actually very fascinating being. Within his being the entire
> > > > > contained.. As I see it the object is to be with our creator, as
> > > > > Confucius
> > > > > said To be in the presence of your creator is to be in heaven."-
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > Is it your understanding that, though within his being the entire is
> > > > > contained, that somehow God might seperate Self from Self and be
> > > > > absent from One's self? :P
>
> > > > Well, how can an omnipresent God be absent from anywhere?
>
> > > > > On Mar 18, 9:49 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 17, 3:14 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I doubt "punishment" was in the dinosaur "vocabulary" but we have
> > no
> > > > > > > idea how they viewed and coped with natural disasters, do we? We
> > have
> > > > > > > no idea how early mankind dealt with disasters except to study
> > the
> > > > > > > apes and chimps, I guess.
>
> > > > > > > "Where Was God" by William Safire was in last Sunday's NYTimes
> > then
> > > > > > > removed and so was any link as far as I could tell by Monday when
> > I
> > > > > > > thought to print it out. I finally found it through Google but
> > the
> > > > > > > link looks goofy so you are on your own. :-) He wrote this op-ed
> > in
> > > > > > > 2005 after the Indian Ocean tsunami and based his response on the
> > > > Book
> > > > > > > of Job re the questioning of faith in the midst of a natural
> > disaster
> > > > > > > and untold suffering. It tracks to humans being responsible to
> > lessen
> > > > > > > human suffering and injustice.
>
> > > > > > > The world is so depressing. Please do not try to cheer me up.
> > Thank
> > > > > > > you.
>
> > > > > > LOL!! If I'm correct and "God is One" and we are all extensions of
> > > > > > that One, then God suffers in every tradgedy, too. This is why I
> > > > > > sometimes refer to God as "a glutton for experience", as God, being
> > > > > > all, experiences all aspects of every act. In a murder, for
> > example,
> > > > > > God is both murderer and victim. God gets to experience all
> > aspects
> > > > > > simply because, in reality, there is no 'other'.
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 16, 7:26 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 6:47 am, iam deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Of course are not a punishment but rather a natural planetary
> > > > force that
> > > > > > > > > though it is going to happen is not preplanned nor can it be
> > said
> > > > that it is
> > > > > > > > > in punishment.. those that say that I wonder about their
> > > > knowledge of right
> > > > > > > > > and wrong. . but there are some people that you will never be
> > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > explain anything because they know it all and their minds are
> > > > closed.
> > > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > It can't REALLY be a punishment, as we know earthquakes
> > happened
> > > > long
> > > > > > > > before humans. I doubt very seriously if the dinosaurs viewed
> > > > > > > > earthquakes as punishments.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Ash <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > "Life" is also a cereal.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I recently tried to convince someone that natural disasters
> > > > were not a
> > > > > > > > > > punishment from her God for those who do not believe. It
> > didn't
> > > > go too well
> > > > > > > > > > and turned into an angry lecture on my part. Basically
> > > > substitute
> > > > > > > > > > "scripture" for "life" in a crash course of anthropology
> > and
> > > > spirituality,
> > > > > > > > > > that's what it was. Why do I feel guilty?.. If it shakes
> > her
> > > > faith and hope
> > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned, if she reflects and understands the larger
> > > > reality it will
> > > > > > > > > > strengthen. Sometimes to what seems at first an academic
> > > > matter, with
> > > > > > > > > > empathy and understanding, we find a great responsibility
> > in
> > > > the actions we
> > > > > > > > > > take.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Risk. Isn't there a song about life being a poker game?
>
> > > > > > > > > --
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> > > > > > > > > I_D Allan
>
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