terrorists have a conscience in this matter? The Cold War was a
balanced struggle in some ways but wars are now asymmetrical. Does war
have a conscience?
We- the West- are very wasteful and that is a hard habit to break.
O- instead of "let them eat cake" we have Michelle's "let them eat
veggies"! Louis XVI thought of yesterday. What about contaminated
soil, water and air to grow those plants? And the use of artesian
wells for irrigation- Kansas, I believe.
On Apr 7, 6:41 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
wrote:
> Heyup Omy,
>
> Do I detect a hint of frustration in your last reply to me?
>
> Heh don't sweat it mate, re-reading our toing and froing, It seems
> that indeed I got your point, of not the depth of your argument.
>
> Basicly you are worreid about our ability now for self anialation, me,
> not so much. I don't see that our chances for this have changed much
> through the years. we have had nuclear power for a long time now, and
> still very few problems with it. Nuclear war, not a chance, I like
> you lived throughthe cold war, I like you remember the real fear of
> nuculaer holocust, I now think that the nucluear deterant is just
> that.
>
> GM crops, I have no fear of and think that perhaps such advanments may
> be nessicary with an increasing number of humans on our little
> planet. I mean we have in fact been geneticlay ultering our food
> stock both live and plant for centuries now and probaly longer. What
> differance if that manipulation happens in the lap or by cross
> breeding?
>
> You have a great point though with plague and of course we know that
> our war against bacteria is more or less an equal war, with theose
> little criters able to mutate defenses agianst our antibiotics as fast
> as we can make them. Both not really having much to do with our own
> self anialtion though.
>
> On Apr 6, 7:30 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Lee, sadly it appears that you miss my point and intention…again!
>
> > We are in full agreement about the omnipresent 'war' for resources.
> > This is part of nature. (we agree, right?)
>
> > Yes, assuming no cataclysmic event, the resulting 'thinning of the
> > herd' will occur. (again, we agree, right?)
>
> > And, in many ways we are in agreement about Nature and its own laws
> > and rules…right?
>
> > The only area we may actually disagree…and what you have not yet
> > addressed includes the more recent possibility of nuclear war and/or
> > contamination of the planet … both of which have the *possibility* of
> > fully destroying life…at least human life. (First time in history this
> > has been possible.)
>
> > Also, due to our very recent ability to have mass groups of people
> > travel to all areas of the globe and within just a few hours, we have
> > the very real possibility of having a mass plague…and even members of
> > the medical community say that it is possible that some events would
> > spell the end of humanity…not just some of us.
>
> > And, while sort of the opposite of a fight for 'resources', the way
> > some are dumping in the ocean, in the soil, in other waters and in the
> > air…all sorts of toxic and other wastes, we have a real possibility
> > for disaster here.
>
> > Perhaps we should mention genetic engineering too. Remember about a
> > decade ago when the 'killer seed' was developed by Monsanto?...and
> > they were going to use it on a global basis? (Seeds that would not
> > reproduce…just grow once and that would be the end of it.) They use
> > some of these today. And, many biologists have sounded the warning
> > about such misuse of science and the possible global result(s). Of
> > course, this can and does extend to genetic engineering when it comes
> > to plants and animals (including humans)…and all of our foodstuffs.
> > Humanity just does not know the result in most cases.
>
> > Of course, as you suggest, overpopulation sort of takes care of
> > itself; unfortunately, the resulting suffering is always great.
>
> > So, in most areas I see us in perfect agreement Lee…just possibly in
> > those you haven't mentioned yet.
>
> > On Apr 6, 1:41 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > The we disagree my dearest Omy!
>
> > > I was dwelling on this last night, and what I think is that as violent
> > > a species as we are if you are correct then the inevitable wars for
> > > resources will be fought, many people on all sides will die and thus
> > > the human population will be diminished.
>
> > > We are, in common with all other life on this planet, at the mercy of
> > > mother nature and her natural rules and laws. As such if compatition
> > > for resources becomes too much, the inevitable outcome is the thining
> > > of the heard. Nature has many ways of doing this war amongst our
> > > selves is only one tool.
>
> > > No mate looking long long term I think this planet will be sustaining
> > > human life and others for a bloody long time yet, well past my death
> > > and that of my great grand children. Heh and I intend to live for at
> > > least another 1000 years.
>
> > > Of course you realise that I attach no morality to my words here.
>
> > > On Apr 5, 9:48 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Yes, it is common to ignore and/or 'miss' the trend. Of course there
> > > > is "much that is good in humanity and our advances". My commentary is
> > > > not intended to deny that. All that is being said is that for the
> > > > first era in human history we are destroying the planet's ability to
> > > > support life in many ways. This is all...and there is no special
> > > > 'privy' involved...all it takes is the willingness to research and
> > > > study it. It is clear and obvious to many today.
>
> > > > On Apr 5, 8:13 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Strange how people are I guess. I notice no such trend. In fact I see
> > > > > much that is good in humanity and our advances, I simply do see any
> > > > > evidance that we are moving down a path of self annilhilation and I'm
> > > > > somewhat supprised of your doomsaying here OM. Are you privy to some
> > > > > data that the rest of us are not perhaps?
>
> > > > > On Apr 5, 6:10 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Unless humanity recognizes the unity of all, our current path towards
> > > > > > self annihilation is unstoppable.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:55 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > now MAYBE im a LITTLE CRAZY but it seams to
> > > > > > > me that the direction we are hedding ( like a stream whose path is
> > > > > > > directed by the mountain as it erodes the mountain , until its path
> > > > > > > is eched out , and not easily broken away from ) is in the wrong
> > > > > > > direction , ... why ?........ the answer is as vast as the expance of
> > > > > > > the void of that which is unknown <------ see anyone can sound
> > > > > > > politician like -------
>
> > > > > > > Ash wrote:
> > > > > > > > Not at all pessimistic Malcolm, I keep hearing depressing news about my old
> > > > > > > > highschool. Teachers overworked, theyve changed it from an alternative to an
> > > > > > > > urban school with higher student ratios. They teach using computers a lot
> > > > > > > > and the kids mostly slack off visiting facebook and youtube, there is a lot
> > > > > > > > less one-on-one contact and interaction based learning. To top it off all
> > > > > > > > this is because of no child left behind crap and teachers are so overworked
> > > > > > > > they are doing their best just to teach to the test and pass them along.
> > > > > > > > Someone will have to deal with it eventually while kids keep getting by on
> > > > > > > > as little as possible fundamental skills and perpetual remedial panaceas.
> > > > > > > > Not pessimist at all! They are destroying public education, and all the
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