were the devil , they would kill evry man woman and child if they
could , not evryone is in to all this peace lovein u know ?! some
still have an old testament frame of mind, we cant forget that and
become weak , blinded by a candy shell with a shit
center , hope that did come accross as confrintational
leerevdouglas@googlemail.com wrote:
> Hey Rigsy,
>
> Yes we have learnt through the dropping of atomic weapons on Japan
> over 60 years ago the devistation of nuclear weapons, do you really
> think even the most extreame of 'terrorists' would be willing to
> engage in such mutal destruction? I simply don't believe it will ever
> happen.
>
> We in the West are very wastefull, we are getting better though as we
> must, do you really belive that we will not get less wastefull?
>
> Water we have in abundance on this planet, and the rate of change and
> new inovations inform me that we will find better ways to use it,
> clean it, and keep it.
>
> I think what it boils down to is a belife in the best of humanity
> rather than a fear of the worst.
>
> I belive in the best of humanity do you not?
>
>
> On Apr 7, 1:53 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > We already did use atomic weapons on Japan. What makes you think
> > terrorists have a conscience in this matter? The Cold War was a
> > balanced struggle in some ways but wars are now asymmetrical. Does war
> > have a conscience?
> >
> > We- the West- are very wasteful and that is a hard habit to break.
> >
> > O- instead of "let them eat cake" we have Michelle's "let them eat
> > veggies"! Louis XVI thought of yesterday. What about contaminated
> > soil, water and air to grow those plants? And the use of artesian
> > wells for irrigation- Kansas, I believe.
> >
> > On Apr 7, 6:41 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Heyup Omy,
> >
> > > Do I detect a hint of frustration in your last reply to me?
> >
> > > Heh don't sweat it mate, re-reading our toing and froing, It seems
> > > that indeed I got your point, of not the depth of your argument.
> >
> > > Basicly you are worreid about our ability now for self anialation, me,
> > > not so much. I don't see that our chances for this have changed much
> > > through the years. we have had nuclear power for a long time now, and
> > > still very few problems with it. Nuclear war, not a chance, I like
> > > you lived throughthe cold war, I like you remember the real fear of
> > > nuculaer holocust, I now think that the nucluear deterant is just
> > > that.
> >
> > > GM crops, I have no fear of and think that perhaps such advanments may
> > > be nessicary with an increasing number of humans on our little
> > > planet. I mean we have in fact been geneticlay ultering our food
> > > stock both live and plant for centuries now and probaly longer. What
> > > differance if that manipulation happens in the lap or by cross
> > > breeding?
> >
> > > You have a great point though with plague and of course we know that
> > > our war against bacteria is more or less an equal war, with theose
> > > little criters able to mutate defenses agianst our antibiotics as fast
> > > as we can make them. Both not really having much to do with our own
> > > self anialtion though.
> >
> > > On Apr 6, 7:30 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Lee, sadly it appears that you miss my point and intention…again!
> >
> > > > We are in full agreement about the omnipresent 'war' for resources.
> > > > This is part of nature. (we agree, right?)
> >
> > > > Yes, assuming no cataclysmic event, the resulting 'thinning of the
> > > > herd' will occur. (again, we agree, right?)
> >
> > > > And, in many ways we are in agreement about Nature and its own laws
> > > > and rules…right?
> >
> > > > The only area we may actually disagree…and what you have not yet
> > > > addressed includes the more recent possibility of nuclear war and/or
> > > > contamination of the planet … both of which have the *possibility* of
> > > > fully destroying life…at least human life. (First time in history this
> > > > has been possible.)
> >
> > > > Also, due to our very recent ability to have mass groups of people
> > > > travel to all areas of the globe and within just a few hours, we have
> > > > the very real possibility of having a mass plague…and even members of
> > > > the medical community say that it is possible that some events would
> > > > spell the end of humanity…not just some of us.
> >
> > > > And, while sort of the opposite of a fight for 'resources', the way
> > > > some are dumping in the ocean, in the soil, in other waters and in the
> > > > air…all sorts of toxic and other wastes, we have a real possibility
> > > > for disaster here.
> >
> > > > Perhaps we should mention genetic engineering too. Remember about a
> > > > decade ago when the 'killer seed' was developed by Monsanto?...and
> > > > they were going to use it on a global basis? (Seeds that would not
> > > > reproduce…just grow once and that would be the end of it.) They use
> > > > some of these today. And, many biologists have sounded the warning
> > > > about such misuse of science and the possible global result(s). Of
> > > > course, this can and does extend to genetic engineering when it comes
> > > > to plants and animals (including humans)…and all of our foodstuffs.
> > > > Humanity just does not know the result in most cases.
> >
> > > > Of course, as you suggest, overpopulation sort of takes care of
> > > > itself; unfortunately, the resulting suffering is always great.
> >
> > > > So, in most areas I see us in perfect agreement Lee…just possibly in
> > > > those you haven't mentioned yet.
> >
> > > > On Apr 6, 1:41 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > The we disagree my dearest Omy!
> >
> > > > > I was dwelling on this last night, and what I think is that as violent
> > > > > a species as we are if you are correct then the inevitable wars for
> > > > > resources will be fought, many people on all sides will die and thus
> > > > > the human population will be diminished.
> >
> > > > > We are, in common with all other life on this planet, at the mercy of
> > > > > mother nature and her natural rules and laws. As such if compatition
> > > > > for resources becomes too much, the inevitable outcome is the thining
> > > > > of the heard. Nature has many ways of doing this war amongst our
> > > > > selves is only one tool.
> >
> > > > > No mate looking long long term I think this planet will be sustaining
> > > > > human life and others for a bloody long time yet, well past my death
> > > > > and that of my great grand children. Heh and I intend to live for at
> > > > > least another 1000 years.
> >
> > > > > Of course you realise that I attach no morality to my words here.
> >
> > > > > On Apr 5, 9:48 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Yes, it is common to ignore and/or 'miss' the trend. Of course there
> > > > > > is "much that is good in humanity and our advances". My commentary is
> > > > > > not intended to deny that. All that is being said is that for the
> > > > > > first era in human history we are destroying the planet's ability to
> > > > > > support life in many ways. This is all...and there is no special
> > > > > > 'privy' involved...all it takes is the willingness to research and
> > > > > > study it. It is clear and obvious to many today.
> >
> > > > > > On Apr 5, 8:13 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Strange how people are I guess. I notice no such trend. In fact I see
> > > > > > > much that is good in humanity and our advances, I simply do see any
> > > > > > > evidance that we are moving down a path of self annilhilation and I'm
> > > > > > > somewhat supprised of your doomsaying here OM. Are you privy to some
> > > > > > > data that the rest of us are not perhaps?
> >
> > > > > > > On Apr 5, 6:10 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > Unless humanity recognizes the unity of all, our current path towards
> > > > > > > > self annihilation is unstoppable.
> >
> > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:55 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > now MAYBE im a LITTLE CRAZY but it seams to
> > > > > > > > > me that the direction we are hedding ( like a stream whose path is
> > > > > > > > > directed by the mountain as it erodes the mountain , until its path
> > > > > > > > > is eched out , and not easily broken away from ) is in the wrong
> > > > > > > > > direction , ... why ?........ the answer is as vast as the expance of
> > > > > > > > > the void of that which is unknown <------ see anyone can sound
> > > > > > > > > politician like -------
> >
> > > > > > > > > Ash wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Not at all pessimistic Malcolm, I keep hearing depressing news about my old
> > > > > > > > > > highschool. Teachers overworked, theyve changed it from an alternative to an
> > > > > > > > > > urban school with higher student ratios. They teach using computers a lot
> > > > > > > > > > and the kids mostly slack off visiting facebook and youtube, there is a lot
> > > > > > > > > > less one-on-one contact and interaction based learning. To top it off all
> > > > > > > > > > this is because of no child left behind crap and teachers are so overworked
> > > > > > > > > > they are doing their best just to teach to the test and pass them along.
> > > > > > > > > > Someone will have to deal with it eventually while kids keep getting by on
> > > > > > > > > > as little as possible fundamental skills and perpetual remedial panaceas.
> > > > > > > > > > Not pessimist at all! They are destroying public education, and all the
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