Thank you Lee. I appreciate your response. I guess the question of 'the soul', if you will, is only one aspect of an entire worldview and one has to be true to one's beliefs that are accrued throughout reflection on one's life and experience. To me, contemporary science seems to be revealing very mysterious and counter intuitive aspects of existence that make the metaphysical more plausible today than in the previous centuries. The hidden dimensions, the principle of uncertainty, entanglement, arbitrariness of time and the very place of human consciousness in all that signify a level of complexity that is irreducible to mechanistic functions alone.
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
A huge welcome from me too Eman. I'm afraid that I shall be the voice
of dissent (just for a change) and agree with RP. All that you are
takes place in the old grey matter, when that no longer functions the
person is truly gone. All thoughts and feelings take place in the
brain, and what is spirituality if not an amalgamation of thoughts and
feelings?
On Jan 4, 1:41 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Archytas for your welcome. Such non physical phenomena are hard
> to prove experimentally by definition but there is no need to disregard
> all possibilities of existence outside the physical realm. I personally
> believe in dreams as a possible connection between the worlds of the living
> and the dead, I also believe in telepathy and think that the quantum
> principle of entanglement can apply to humans in someways, and I see death
> as a transition between two states rather than the end of personal
> existence, thinking again that once we come to life, we won't end but
> transform and the data that make up our individuality lingers on in one
> form or another. But then again, these are only my beliefs. This universe
> is full of mysteries that we are just beginning to explore, and I think we
> need to approach such mystery with openness to all possibilities.
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>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:26 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I agree Abdulla - welcome as a member of the group. Many scientists
> > think an information world or third realm (of thought) exists. I have
> > always tended to agree with RP on human responsibilities but am not so
> > sure on this. I must say I doubt a lot of the evidence you suggest,
> > but I'd still like to see more focus on spirituality in practice (even
> > as an atheist - or at least agnostic).
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> > On Jan 3, 6:05 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I tend to disagree as there is absolutely no proof that human
> > > consciousness, let alone spirituality, is merely a function of gray
> > matter.
> > > Many will argue that humans leave an invisible imprint on the universe
> > that
> > > is felt after their physical death. Near Death experiences, communicating
> > > information to the living by means of dreams, and other similar phenomena
> > > that, although not captured by science, have been repeatedly reported> I
> > > think that reducing spirituality to a physical fuction is a disservice to
> > > science which has been able to point out the reductionist fallacies in
> > the
> > > areas of quantum physics and cosmology. There is still much to be
> > explored
> > > when it comes to one of the most complex aspects of existence, i.e, human
> > > consciousness and spiritual transcendence.
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> > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:42 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The conscious-active individuality is an attribute of a living
> > > > organism. When the life of an organism snuffs out, the attribute
> > > > vanishes. Spirituality is tied to the physicality of an organism as it
> > > > is the gray-matter in the head which determines spiritual activity.
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