Sunday, April 19, 2015

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

Milk is not a problem. . Inlaws use the stuff .. me i prefer my milk as milk guess that is my old dairy preference. .
Like my coffee black hot or cold doesn't matter as long as it is black..  good ol cuppa joe..  could not easily  get milk in the navy so go had black coffee. Developed the taste for it from midnight watches. (Inspection avoidance) can make tea anyway you like it..  have some great chinese lotus tea which not bad. Thew out a buch of black Turkish tea because i never drink it..  me i like mint tea plus a few others .  Tea needs sweeting (song driven: you work all day forvthe suger in your tea) can get by but prefer it.. have a drawer full of teas.. so there should Rotterdam's airport is closer.. you might be able to catch a flight there from England.. schipol is a painin the but.. train and ferry  is other options..

Ah coffee and tea wit friends. .  One of the finer events in life.  Great way to discuss "Time". Very leasurely.



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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

Strong tea, mashed for more than five minutes in a pot, is generally best.  Brown with fresh milk in last.  Some Russian teas are good black.  Other herbal teas are horrible, as is green tea to my taste.  Can't be doing with tea rituals.  Coffee needs a lot of hot milk.  Neither should be drunk with sugar.  We have a Tassimo for Sue and a milk frother.  In need of a teapot.

Both drinks fail the fair trade test.  Instant tea and powdered egg for breakfast is a cruel and unusual punishment.  We haven't even got cafe service of coffee right in the UK.  I used to like a great big bowl of the stuff, black with a spoon, in France and it was good with cognac at 6 am too.  I hear all are better taken on airships with friends ...



On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 7:47:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
See you soon.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

I'll be right over.

On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:40:04 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
Tea preference? . We fresh grind each cup. Espresso which uses the same amount of grounds but half the water.

Coffee. Keeps you awake.. lucky you.. me too sometimes.. we use doughe egberts 10.  Almost the strongest. I am not a fan of brown water.. but like a strong cup of coffee. . Luud and I both like our coffee black so tgere is no problem.





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-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

My throat and sinuses hurt so much right now tea is a welcome friend. Otherwise, I prefer coffee, but only in the morning. I like my sleep too much.

On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:25:38 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
My coffee machine can be used to make a great tea. Preferance?

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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

Mud and Arab coffee probably have more water than you Allan, but I don't drink them!

On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 4:46:14 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
Well if you like water you already like 72% of me.   (",)

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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

Clarity is a strange business.  The language of being clear, resembling being bleached or de-loused in Scientology, dominates much of social research in needing to be pre-suppositionless, not to contaminate the research situation and hundreds of other terms such as 'hermeneutics guarantees truth'.  This is all to be done by 'objects' that carry more other organisms around with them than cells with their own DNA.

Screws change directions on boats.  This may be what saves the boat from ending-up on the rocks.



On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 1:14:04 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
Okay no soul just the eternal mind. .
Sorry I screwed things up for you
Neil what was this beginning  of clarity?

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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

I'm not suggesting any of us are Scientologists in any direct sense.  Though when we talk of rationality, clarity and other impossible ideal-types forgetting they are ideals, we share something with such lunacy.  Of course, it isn't long before Allan screws up any chance of clarity, saving ourselves from ourselves with his up-the-sleeve soul forever-undefined-curing-all.

I rather liked the idea that whatever we did was accessible to other people, whatever 'condition' they were in.  

On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:12:41 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
I suppose that's where the "father, forgive them for they know not what they do" advise comes in Neil. Even with people motivated by criminal intent, they don't really understand the magnificence of the life they've been given and how they squander it. I grew weary of letting the ills of humanity upset me log ago and have mostly let go of it, although occasionally fall back into dismay over it. That dismay interferes with my reverent feelings for life's wonders, so, eventually, I can again see the wisdom in letting go.

And even though, when in the throes of a virus, it is hard to remember the wonder, I do manage to find it every day. Even in a post that says "human society has little in it I would choose," because it allows me a kindred spirit. There is more to life than what human society holds and although at times it is difficult to see deeper or beyond, once done, it also seems so simple to do. 

On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 3:30:16 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
Time is still a question..  but i do see an interconnection..  and also Molly's friends.. RP sent me an email saying he wants back in.

I have friends who were involved with scientology. .  They do a lot of brain washing. And bad creating lots of problems ..  from what the movie was saying is time is a perspective ..  it seems to be a series of markers of the past ~ present .

The present moment  is elusive as as as soon as you read this it is already past.. as for the soul how does time interconnect  with economics? That is your speciality. . I always thought that when you look at from different  perspectives (booooo!) it helps in expanding and enlighting the concepts escaping  from the lectures. .
The effect if time on present day economic practice.. perfect for perspective time snapshots..

lol. Where is the new camp ground?

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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

Allan's brief mention of time, before scuttling back into his soul-shell, might have something in it.  There is only so much time one can lend to various ventures.  I have developed an interest in the more honest creatures of this earth and find it easy to put time in there.  I have been led (I hope led) to a view that human society is severely disabled and has little in it I would choose.

"Scientology" is both a criminal organisation (an interesting in that we struggle to treat it as such) and a glaring example of wider, crude religious practices everywhere.  I fancy what most people have assumed to be rationality over the years is, in fact, something similarly crude and more of medieval time than anything modern.

We should upsticks Molly.

On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:13:45 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
Scientology is one of those deadly Kool Aid cults with an enormous amount of money behind the effort. It took a small bit of Hermetic philosophy, as old as written history, added methods of control and brainwashing, threw in shunning and voila, you have something worth grabbing your children and your assets and running at least a thousand miles to get away from (Katie Holmes.
Having its roots in Hermetic philosophy legitimizes it to its constituents because these same concepts have been echoed throughout the ages.

Not sure where you stand on the concept of soul, Neil. My biggest worry for this group is that it is wobbling on a failing platform that leaves it open to wackos and trolls. this makes it hard for a small group dialogue to survive. Maybe it is too boring without a bundle of alters of one deeply disturbed person constantly arguing with themselves.

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
It's not really surprising time in this group has been so medieval.  Rationality has been conflated with morality, thinking with spirituality (very Descartes) and legitimation with the supernatural.  Some of the action hasn't been that distanced from Scientology.

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:29:21 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
Love always creats a special bond between souls.. you an I both know souls are eternal she is doing what she needs. All I can say is for her to follow her soul.. the soul can find the path if given a chance.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

I have a dear friend whose husband languishes in the hospital right now in his last days on earth. She holds his hand and wonders, as we all do during times like these, about the "time" we are given in this life with those we love. Sometimes, it seems to be cut too short and I have to wonder if this isn't the workings of soul, as we are connected there eternally to those we love most.

On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 6:32:05 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
Love watching the sun rise.. sailing creates strange perspectives.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

When I stop watching the clock, sunrise and sunset still give a pace of time to my day. The seasons give a broader pace. We age in time. We measure change with time.

On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
Back in my younger days the book that gave the value of cars was actually  blue.  Hence the name..
See Tony even I  can take leaps forward into reality..


lol. (",)

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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time

Sounds really deep Tony - maybe we should leave it buried?  Reality has taken a leap forward with Allan recognising a book plug as a book plug.  Soon he will be able to tell us a blue book is blue (which it isn't).  We don't know there is a reality.  There is a reality hypothesis.

Get real people!

On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 5:33:19 PM UTC+1, facilitator wrote:
Time is an abstraction, a non quantifiable human invention used for measurement.  Said more simply, it is not the substance but the flask. Outside of human conjecture time does not exist.

On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 12:25:25 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
I did watch the movie. Interesting  reminded me of a book promotion. . And we actually have heard the same logic from RP using a Hindu God.. did not agree with that argument  either.
In the end there was a promotion for his book.

He gets into a lot of Einstein concepts on time..  listening  to him and the other program. Time is evasive and a matter of perspective. A perspective unique to each person. . The one thing apparently physics  can not prove is the exsistance if time. .  Unlike the conclusions people these people want to jump to..
It would seem  to me that all our souls are responsible  for is the perspective known by the unique soul inside the reality of non-time ¿known? to exist within the reality of time..

Which gets back to the original  question just what the heck is time?




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-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:47 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Time

This was in my mailbox (interestingly enough) https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 4:03:34 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
Just what the heck is time. I always thouhght of it as a constant.. only to find it is a veriable .. unlike other veriables..
Just what the heck is ¿Time?

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